What to do at CB?

[freddyjj]

So my plan to secure CB2 for this year and buy insurance if Tre has recovery delays - sign Mike Hughes FA CB from KC to a one year deal.  Was a team mate of Gabe Davis at UCF and was 30th pick in Rd 1 of 2019 NFL draft by Vikes.  Had some injury issues in MN and was traded to KC.  Had a solid 2021 in KC

 

https://www.si.com/college/ucf/university-of-central-florida-football/bounce-back-mike-hughes

 

Then take a leap on a developmental outside corner rd 3 or 4 in the draft.  Tariq Woolen UTSA, Joshua Williams Fayetteville State

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Drafting solely for need in the first yields gems like John McCargo, Aaron Maybin, and EJ Manuel.

Exactly. Beane doesn’t draft for need. He’s too smart for that. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

And the Bills are very talented at most every position.  BPA all the way!  Stud players fall every draft.  The Bills can just sit back and take the highest rated player on their board, no matter a WR, S, RB, CB, OL any position they had a superior grade on player.  That must scare the hell out of the rest of the league. 

From most draft experts, this draft lacks stud players. Imho, the draft seems to be deep in quality wide receivers. Surely, any deemed stud players will be gone before pick 25. There are always diamonds in the rough. 

[Motor26]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

From most draft experts, this draft lacks stud players. Imho, the draft seems to be deep in quality wide receivers. Surely, any deemed stud players will be gone before pick 25. There are always diamonds in the rough. 

Every year a player drops for a number of reasons, whether it’s a run on QB’s, or a run on WR/CB/Edge, something comes up off the field the week of the draft. If they draft BPA I could see an Edge rusher or DT being there, maybe even one of the top OT. We will see how Beane follows his board. But if they draft Gordon or McCreary in round 1 that would surely be a reach. 

[DisplacedBillsFan]

I think part of the plan to help the CB situation was to improve the pass rush, which we’ve done. Hyde and Poyer also make up for average CB play, and their help over the top and in the middle has allowed Tre to shine and elevated the play of our other CBs. With the pass rush improved and Poyer and Hyde, I think finding elite level CB talent is not as big of a deal.

 

Yes, I absolutely feel we need CB help. Hopefully a veteran and an early draft pick. But, I also feel the other pieces of the D are designed to take some pressure off a young CB or a veteran who has lost a step.

 

I also wonder how long Hyde and Poyer both continue to play at the level we’ve come to expect, and how long until neither of them play at that level. With this in mind, a CB drafted with first or second round picks for the next couple years makes sense, as you expect your young CBs to adjust to the game and pick up the slack as safety play begins to fall off.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Exactly. Beane doesn’t draft for need. He’s too smart for that. 

 

We don't really know this.........in Beane's first two drafts almost everything was a need so BPA and need were easier to match up...........and still, in 2019 he had the most egregious documented incidence of drafting for need in Bills history with the trade up for Cody "we need a tackle" Ford.  

 

In 2020 they went into the draft with a deep roster and really were playing with house money so to speak........but still,  Rousseau and Basham might have been need-over-BPA picks.    I personally felt Rousseau was BPA.......Basham definitely not.......but it was clearly the position they were most in need of a quality upgrade at.    I think Basham would have been a late 3rd or early 4th round pick in this draft because of his combination of modest pass rush ability and over-age(he turned 24 in his rookie season).

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Motor26 said:

Every year a player drops for a number of reasons, whether it’s a run on QB’s, or a run on WR/CB/Edge, something comes up off the field the week of the draft. If they draft BPA I could see an Edge rusher or DT being there, maybe even one of the top OT. We will see how Beane follows his board. But if they draft Gordon or McCreary in round 1 that would surely be a reach. 

I mean it is really hard to know what's going to happen prior to pick 25. I guess we all can play out the scenarios. Imho, Beane stays pretty close to his board. He won't make a big reach on need. He will surely take an obvious BPA regardless of position. I think that's a rare and unlikely situation. What is more probable is a close gap between BPA and a team need. That is a much harder position to navigate. Both choices can be justified.

Edited March 31, 2022 by newcam2012

[Magnum Force]

5 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Exactly. Beane doesn’t draft for need. He’s too smart for that. 

You have some really good posts. 👍 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Seems like all signs point to this guy.

 

 

[HurlyBurly51]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Seems like all signs point to this guy.

 

 

Just sign already!

[Motor26]

22 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Just sign already!

Would work with me. 

[Rocky Landing]

My hope for CB is that we are trading up in the first.

[whorlnut]

7 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

My hope for CB is that we are trading up in the first.

McDs defense has made many late round or undrafted guys look good. There is ZERO reason in trading up in round 1 for a corner. Tre will prob be back sooner than most people expect and Dane Jackson has two years in the system. Our safeties take a lot of pressure off the corners. To think we need to trade up for a corner in 1 is crazy to me. 

[Rocky Landing]

33 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

McDs defense has made many late round or undrafted guys look good. There is ZERO reason in trading up in round 1 for a corner. Tre will prob be back sooner than most people expect and Dane Jackson has two years in the system. Our safeties take a lot of pressure off the corners. To think we need to trade up for a corner in 1 is crazy to me. 

Last season-- much like this season-- we were drafting primarily for backup positions, with the only notable exception being our first round pick. There was no room on the 53 for the later round picks, and they ended up on the practice squad as developmental players. The two with the most potential, Rashad Wildgoose, and Jack Anderson, were poached by other teams, rendering them utterly wasted draft picks. 

 

IMO, the question is less a matter of there being "reason in trading up," and more a question of "why not trade up?" If there isn't any room for the later round picks on the team (and, I suspect there isn't) then why not use those picks to get a better prospect at CB? Not capitalizing on the value of later round picks seems much crazier to me than trading up for better potential.

 

I do agree that "McDs defense has made many late round or undrafted guys look good." Levi Wallace, and Ike Boettger are perfect examples of that. But, obviously, being a player that other teams don't want as much is not a selling point to them, or anyone else.

[Motor26]

13 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Last season-- much like this season-- we were drafting primarily for backup positions, with the only notable exception being our first round pick. There was no room on the 53 for the later round picks, and they ended up on the practice squad as developmental players. The two with the most potential, Rashad Wildgoose, and Jack Anderson, were poached by other teams, rendering them utterly wasted draft picks. 

 

IMO, the question is less a matter of there being "reason in trading up," and more a question of "why not trade up?" If there isn't any room for the later round picks on the team (and, I suspect there isn't) then why not use those picks to get a better prospect at CB? Not capitalizing on the value of later round picks seems much crazier to me than trading up for better potential.

 

I do agree that "McDs defense has made many late round or undrafted guys look good." Levi Wallace, and Ike Boettger are perfect examples of that. But, obviously, being a player that other teams don't want as much is not a selling point to them, or anyone else.

Well those 6ths and 7th are useless for trading up, unless it’s into the 5th. Do we really want to sacrifice our 2nd to move up 5-8 spots? I don’t know, that’s Beane’s job I guess. And for the record, I’m not even in the 1st round CB or bust group. I want the best player available, I don’t care if he’s a OT, DE, DT, or LB. Just go get a guy who can play. I’d be fine with a corner in rounds 2-4.

[whorlnut]

46 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Last season-- much like this season-- we were drafting primarily for backup positions, with the only notable exception being our first round pick. There was no room on the 53 for the later round picks, and they ended up on the practice squad as developmental players. The two with the most potential, Rashad Wildgoose, and Jack Anderson, were poached by other teams, rendering them utterly wasted draft picks. 

 

IMO, the question is less a matter of there being "reason in trading up," and more a question of "why not trade up?" If there isn't any room for the later round picks on the team (and, I suspect there isn't) then why not use those picks to get a better prospect at CB? Not capitalizing on the value of later round picks seems much crazier to me than trading up for better potential.

 

I do agree that "McDs defense has made many late round or undrafted guys look good." Levi Wallace, and Ike Boettger are perfect examples of that. But, obviously, being a player that other teams don't want as much is not a selling point to them, or anyone else.

Don’t forget about Dane Jackson…who is still very much a part of this team. 

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Motor26 said:

Well those 6ths and 7th are useless for trading up, unless it’s into the 5th. Do we really want to sacrifice our 2nd to move up 5-8 spots? I don’t know, that’s Beane’s job I guess. And for the record, I’m not even in the 1st round CB or bust group. I want the best player available, I don’t care if he’s a OT, DE, DT, or LB. Just go get a guy who can play. I’d be fine with a corner in rounds 2-4.

First of all, a trade up would include our pick #25. It's not such an outrageous idea-- Beane has done it twice. Secondly, there are other assets besides draft picks. There is a rumor circulating right now that a trade up would include a vet player. Regardless, according to the standard trade value chart, our first, and second round picks would equate to the fourth overall pick. 

 

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Don’t forget about Dane Jackson…who is still very much a part of this team. 

Are you suggesting that we aren't thin at CB? IMO, it is the thinnest position on the team, especially if Tre White misses any time.

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Rocky Landing

[Motor26]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

First of all, a trade up would include our pick #25. It's not such an outrageous idea-- Beane has done it twice. Secondly, there are other assets besides draft picks. There is a rumor circulating right now that a trade up would include a vet player. Regardless, according to the standard trade value chart, our first, and second round picks would equate to the fourth overall pick. 

In what world do you live in where 25+57 would get you to 4? No team would ever do that, I don’t care what the dumb chart says. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

In what world do you live in where 25+57 would get you to 4? No team would ever do that, I don’t care what the dumb chart says. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index91c0.html?page_id=6682

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index91c0.html?page_id=6682

 

1050 would only get you to 15 by that chart.    Not even CLOSE to top 10.

 

You want to go from 15 to 5 by adding a player then it's going to be a player like Gabe Davis..........not a MLB in his walk year or some spare part the Bills have kicking around.