What to do at CB?

[TFBillsfan]

CB is a huge concern right now. We’ll need a day 1 or 2 pick and a proven veteran. With the gauntlet of talented QBs we face this year, it must be addressed. We are also betting Tre has no setbacks and is on schedule.  With the number of draft picks we have this year, package they to move up or make a trade for a proven vet. 
 

Regarding WR, I’m not as concerned as Josh will be a big attraction for FA’s. They know they will have the opportunity to put up numbers. Unless the talent is just too much to pass up in the draft.

 

Pretty clear CB is our biggest need and it’s a pretty big divide for the second biggest need.

[Motor26]

I like Dax Hill. Athletic enough to play outside corner full time, nickel, safety. Feel like McDermott would love him as a chess piece to move all over the defense. 

[Lagoon Blues]

21 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I think this staff thinks very highly of Dane Jackson. Home grown and has two full years of development under McD and this defense. 

Agree.  Think it became clear how high the day they let Levi walk.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Lagoon Blues said:

Agree.  Think it became clear how high the day they let Levi walk.

Not to mention they specifically said last year that they didn’t think there was a corner in 2 that could beat out Jackson. That was before he had another year of development and multiple games started. 

[Rocket94]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Now that we have Bates back in the fold, I’m all for trading up and grabbing one of the top 3 corners...👍

What about Daxton Hill? He seems like a good prospect and one of his strengths is getting after receivers...especially in the slot!

[Juice_32]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

First round get best CB we can afford, trading picks if we have to.  Then devote rest of draft to offense

 

Don't forget the punter!

[Logic]

There are quite a few free agent corners still on the market.

Steven Nelson, Joe Haden, Patrick Peterson, Kyle Fuller, Bryce Callahan, Janoris Jenkins, and Kevin King are still sitting out there, unsigned. James Bradberry may also be released by the Giants.

One of them is going to take the bait on Brandon Beane's "come play for peanuts and a chance to win a ring on a one year deal!" pitch. Count on it.

EDIT: Personally, I will continue to stump for Josh Jackson. 2nd round pick out of Iowa by the Packers, BADLY miscast in their man-heavy scheme. 6 feet tall, long arms, ball-hawking zone corner when he was at Iowa. Just 25 years old. Would likely only command vet minimum or close to it. A zero-risk, "Bring him to camp and let him compete" signing. I bet the change in scenery and switch to our scheme would resurrect his career.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Logic

[Rocket94]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Now that we have Bates back in the fold, I’m all for trading up and grabbing one of the top 3 corners...👍

Speed and playmakers! CB, LB and WR!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

CB is a huge concern right now. We’ll need a day 1 or 2 pick and a proven veteran. With the gauntlet of talented QBs we face this year, it must be addressed. We are also betting Tre has no setbacks and is on schedule.  With the number of draft picks we have this year, package they to move up or make a trade for a proven vet. 
 

Regarding WR, I’m not as concerned as Josh will be a big attraction for FA’s. They know they will have the opportunity to put up numbers. Unless the talent is just too much to pass up in the draft.

 

Pretty clear CB is our biggest need and it’s a pretty big divide for the second biggest need.

There’s no concern because it’s so early. The Bills let Wallace walk cheap. Wallace got Siran Neal money. So as people here write they’re concerned, the Bills aren’t acting concerned. That means there is a plan to address CB.

 

I have a feeling it involves James Bradberry. They’ve been way too nonchalant about CB this offseason. They know they’re getting someone, the only question is who is it? So many veteran CBs available that can fill CB2.

 

 

[Rocket94]

We need speed and playmakers! We better believe that teams are really coming after us now!

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, whorlnut said:

You realize we still have the need to get younger on offense, right?  Most of Allen’s “weapons” are on expiring contracts. Hardly locked up for success after this year. 
 

This staff likes Dane Jackson despite how most of you view him. He’s capable of being a really good corner. We can get another starter at the position in round 2-4. It doesn’t have to be round 1. I would argue that there are guys that are projected on day 2 that have better measurables than guys like Kyler Gordon and Roger McCreary. Cam Taylor-Britt for example ran a 4.38 with 31.5” arms. Tiger McCreary has 28.75” arms!  Gross. Gordon ran a 4.52. No thanks. 

Wait, you dismiss Gordon as being slow, but he is faster than Dane Jackson who you claim is capable of being a really good corner?  I’m not saying that Jackson might not be the answer, but I don’t think we should just pencil him in as the answer, either.  Even if Jackson is good enough to be the starter opposite White, they still need to have someone competent to start until White is healthy - perhaps the first month or two of the season.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Wait, you dismiss Gordon as being slow, but he is faster than Dane Jackson who you claim is capable of being a really good corner?  I’m not saying that Jackson might not be the answer, but I don’t think we should just pencil him in as the answer, either.  Even if Jackson is good enough to be the starter opposite White, they still need to have someone competent to start until White is healthy - perhaps the first month or two of the season.

If White has no setbacks he should be practicing by August.

[OldTimer1960]

56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If White has no setbacks he should be practicing by August.

And if he doesn’t heal as fast as you suggest, then what?  I am only saying prepare as if he will miss time, because that is a real possibility.  The team doesn’t have an established starter opposite White, so even if White is ready to go, a highly drafted rookie can compete with Jackson for the other spot.  
 

No other position on the team appears as weak as CB.  OG is a weakness, too, but at least they have Bates back to start unless they find a player who is better.  But, OL is a “play together” position where player deficiencies can be covered up a bit.  CBs are really exposed to 1-1 matchups and can easily be targeted by the opposition.

 

I understand that WR isn’t super deep on this roster as well and a good reinforcement would be welcomed there, but there at least they have a clear top 3 (Diggs, Crowder, Davis) and could survive if McKenzie were pressed into the starting lineup.

 

I *hope* that they address CB before the draft, leaving the possibility of taking a WR or OT/OG early if the value warrants it, but as of today, I think they need to lean CB, unless there is nobody remotely close to a good prospect there.  Agree, I don’t want them to reach for a need, but teams do reach in some ways on many picks - they all say they take BPA, but need and scheme fit must play into their rankings somehow.

[Bill Lewes]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There’s no concern because it’s so early. The Bills let Wallace walk cheap. Wallace got Siran Neal money. So as people here write they’re concerned, the Bills aren’t acting concerned. That means there is a plan to address CB.

 

I have a feeling it involves James Bradberry. They’ve been way too nonchalant about CB this offseason. They know they’re getting someone, the only question is who is it? So many veteran CBs available that can fill CB2.

 

 

What do you think the Giants will get for Bradberry?    I'm sure the cap wizards can make his $$$ work if they want (and rumors have NY willing to pick up some salary), but the G-Men will need to get something in return

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

37 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

And if he doesn’t heal as fast as you suggest, then what?  I am only saying prepare as if he will miss time, because that is a real possibility.  The team doesn’t have an established starter opposite White, so even if White is ready to go, a highly drafted rookie can compete with Jackson for the other spot.  
 

No other position on the team appears as weak as CB.  OG is a weakness, too, but at least they have Bates back to start unless they find a player who is better.  But, OL is a “play together” position where player deficiencies can be covered up a bit.  CBs are really exposed to 1-1 matchups and can easily be targeted by the opposition.

 

I understand that WR isn’t super deep on this roster as well and a good reinforcement would be welcomed there, but there at least they have a clear top 3 (Diggs, Crowder, Davis) and could survive if McKenzie were pressed into the starting lineup.

 

I *hope* that they address CB before the draft, leaving the possibility of taking a WR or OT/OG early if the value warrants it, but as of today, I think they need to lean CB, unless there is nobody remotely close to a good prospect there.  Agree, I don’t want them to reach for a need, but teams do reach in some ways on many picks - they all say they take BPA, but need and scheme fit must play into their rankings somehow.

The Bills would know better than any of us. What do their actions tell you?

[whorlnut]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Wait, you dismiss Gordon as being slow, but he is faster than Dane Jackson who you claim is capable of being a really good corner?  I’m not saying that Jackson might not be the answer, but I don’t think we should just pencil him in as the answer, either.  Even if Jackson is good enough to be the starter opposite White, they still need to have someone competent to start until White is healthy - perhaps the first month or two of the season.

Oh my goodness. Here we go again. 
 

Where was Dane picked?  7th round. We are talking about Gordon being a potential first round pick with 4.52 speed?  I don’t think so. 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If White has no setbacks he should be practicing by August.

My son had ACL surgery on 1/25…the hope is he is able to start practicing by end of summer as well. And he doesn’t have an entire professional strength and conditioning staff helping him get there like Tre does. 

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The Bills would know better than any of us. What do their actions tell you?

This is an EXCELLENT point. The fact that they haven’t done anything tells me two things. They are confident in where Tre is with his recovery and they like Dane Jackson more than we know. 

[longtimebillsfan]

To answer the original question on this thread, trust Beane.  He has consistently demonstrated that he has a plan.

 

There is a reason Beane is where he is and we are providing our expert guidence on Two Bills Drive

Edited March 29, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[OldTimer1960]

52 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

To answer the original question on this thread, trust Beane.  He has consistently demonstrated that he has a plan.

 

There is a reason Beane is where he is and we are providing our expert guidence on Two Bills Drive

Well that is true for sure!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 hours ago, whorlnut said:

You realize we still have the need to get younger on offense, right?  Most of Allen’s “weapons” are on expiring contracts. Hardly locked up for success after this year. 
 

This staff likes Dane Jackson despite how most of you view him. He’s capable of being a really good corner. We can get another starter at the position in round 2-4. It doesn’t have to be round 1. I would argue that there are guys that are projected on day 2 that have better measurables than guys like Kyler Gordon and Roger McCreary. Cam Taylor-Britt for example ran a 4.38 with 31.5” arms. Tiger McCreary has 28.75” arms!  Gross. Gordon ran a 4.52. No thanks. 

 

I'm opposed to trading up for anyone in this draft.  We need a ton of depth - LB, CB, WR, RB, OG, OT

[BeastMode54]

I don't worry about that in regards to trading up. Beane has been great at finding depth at a minimal cost through FA and camp cuts. I'm literally cool with whatever he does and trading up is one of those things