Von Miller vs Khalil Mack

[LDD]

Just think about Miller sacking Mack...Jones that is...Miller sacking Mack Jones...yeah, yeah...just repeat that and you'll be happy!  

[DieHardBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So 95% of what you said is whining/complaining about why we didn't do this other thing, but because you said you might be okay with it in the last 5% it doesn't count as whining?

Thanks for joining to whine about people posting conversations. I didn't realize this was supposed to be a site where everyone post updates rather than topics.

[Charles Romes]

I rated the edge rushers 1 chandler, 2 Miller, 3 Mack in terms of run stopping, recent production and injury-proneness.   Would have preferred Jones, but am okay with miller. 

[1ManRaid]

59 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It's good to know we'll always be able to find something to whine about.

 

Eh, doesn't beat "signing Miller puts McDermott on the hot seat" or "the process is dead".

[PetermansRedemption]

Because Miller alone is better than Mack. Not to mention the picks that Mack would have cost. It’s not even a question, you take Miller+2nd+6th over Mack every day.  

[LABILLBACKER]

Miller had 13.5 sacks and 25 TFL's.  I'll take the guy with rings. Plus we saved our 2nd & 6th. This is basically a back loaded 3 year deal. Beane did very well on this one.

Edited March 17, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Matt_In_NH]

I bet Millers cap number next year is less than 17 million and you get to pick a player in the second round still.  With these high priced guys you need guys on rookie deals who can play.

[Bruffalo]

As others have said, the defensive line has not had a true leader and now we have one in Von Miller.  I don't know that Mack would be able to do as well in that regard and you need to give up picks for Mack.

[billybrew1]

2 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

After the initial shock of Von Miller going to Buffalo, I have had time to reflect. Why didn't we try harder for Mack? I was sad to see Mack go to LA for only a 2nd and 6th, and thought we should have taken a shot at that. But I turned the page because we didn't have the money. But turns out we did have the money. Now Mack's cap hit for the Chargers in 2022 will be about the same as Millers which is around 17.5M.

 

With that in mind I am curious about the thinking here. If our team was willing to pay that money for a big time play maker at DE why didn't we go for Mack? According to draftsharks.com (which is the first source I found to check injuries and possibility to have injury in 2022, may not be the best) Mack has a lesser chance of missing games in 2022 than Miller by about half. I would also say that most agree, Mack would be the better player of the 2. So did we just miss the opportunity?

 

I want to try and make sense of this and not end on a perception of missed opportunity for a guy that this fanbase is very high on and has for years hoped we would gain. Lets say Beane was involved to some degree. Beane must put very high value on his draft picks. Potentially, Beane was already willing to part with that kind of money but figured he could add Jones or Miller for the same price and not have to part with his 2nd and 6th round pick.

 

So the takeaway would be that Beane believes that Mack for 17M+ a 2nd and a 6th is not worth as much as Von Miller at a similar price. I think I might be able to get behind that but curious of others thoughts. Do you agree that Miller is worth more than Mack + the 2 picks?

Plus our picks are lower than the raiders so we would have to pay more and perhaps Chicago did not want to see Mack go to Buffalo?

 

How old is Mack?

48 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Because Miller alone is better than Mack. Not to mention the picks that Mack would have cost. It’s not even a question, you take Miller+2nd+6th over Mack every day.  

What happened to Mack? Did he get lazy?

[Back2Buff]

The question should really be:

 

Von Miller vs JC Jackson.

 

To this day, I do not understand why DEs are valued more than CBs.

 

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

After the initial shock of Von Miller going to Buffalo, I have had time to reflect. Why didn't we try harder for Mack? I was sad to see Mack go to LA for only a 2nd and 6th, and thought we should have taken a shot at that. But I turned the page because we didn't have the money. But turns out we did have the money. Now Mack's cap hit for the Chargers in 2022 will be about the same as Millers which is around 17.5M.

 

With that in mind I am curious about the thinking here. If our team was willing to pay that money for a big time play maker at DE why didn't we go for Mack? According to draftsharks.com (which is the first source I found to check injuries and possibility to have injury in 2022, may not be the best) Mack has a lesser chance of missing games in 2022 than Miller by about half. I would also say that most agree, Mack would be the better player of the 2. So did we just miss the opportunity?

 

I want to try and make sense of this and not end on a perception of missed opportunity for a guy that this fanbase is very high on and has for years hoped we would gain. Lets say Beane was involved to some degree. Beane must put very high value on his draft picks. Potentially, Beane was already willing to part with that kind of money but figured he could add Jones or Miller for the same price and not have to part with his 2nd and 6th round pick.

 

So the takeaway would be that Beane believes that Mack for 17M+ a 2nd and a 6th is not worth as much as Von Miller at a similar price. I think I might be able to get behind that but curious of others thoughts. Do you agree that Miller is worth more than Mack + the 2 picks?

 

So let me understand:

 

1) Take Mack (a significantly lesser player) and give up draft picks plus over pay for him

 

2 Get Miller (a better player with a history of helping his team win) and no draft picks for a similar cost.

 

 

Hmm - unless I have a lobotomy- give me #2 all day long.  I would always take the better player and retain picks.  Mack is nice for LA, but Miller is a 2 time SB champion that works hard to help younger players grow.

 

Mack is good, but his teams have not won and he has not made them significantly better.

 

This should be an easy choice.

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

And our 2nd round pick is after the Chargers’. So the premise is flawed since we would have to add to beat out their offer. 

[Brennan Huff]

I would have been ecstatic with either scenario 

[LEBills]

Mack has been very good. Miller is one of the best ever.

 

He is a better player than Mack and we didn’t have to give up any picks. No brainer.

 

Add to it he has won two Super Bowls, is tied for the record in Super Bowl sacks recorded, played 2 seasons vs Patrick Mahomes and is now the farming leader of our defense (Josh being the leader/farmer of our offense). 
 

Von was the best case scenario and Bean pulled it off. Let’s go Bills!

[Royale with Cheese]

It is kinda cool thar we have an All Time Great on our roster.

[Rico]

3 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

As others have said, the defensive line has not had a true leader and now we have one in Von Miller.  I don't know that Mack would be able to do as well in that regard and you need to give up picks for Mack.

Not just the defensive line, I think Miller is far more of a true leader than Tre/Hyde/JP.

[Rigotz]

why give up a 2nd and 6th round pick when you don’t have to….

[Desert Bills Fan]

I think his Super Bowl experience is also a plus for Miller !

[DieHardBillsFan]

On 3/17/2022 at 4:57 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

So let me understand:

 

1) Take Mack (a significantly lesser player) and give up draft picks plus over pay for him

 

2 Get Miller (a better player with a history of helping his team win) and no draft picks for a similar cost.

 

 

Hmm - unless I have a lobotomy- give me #2 all day long.  I would always take the better player and retain picks.  Mack is nice for LA, but Miller is a 2 time SB champion that works hard to help younger players grow.

 

Mack is good, but his teams have not won and he has not made them significantly better.

 

This should be an easy choice.

 

 

I'm completely convinced. Miller is better AND we kept the picks. No contest.

 

@Warcodered

 

I am happy to say when I am wrong.

Edited March 19, 2022 by DieHardBillsFan

[foreboding]

Wait...Mack's still playing?