Current Bills salary cap situation - 4/8/2022 12:50 PM $200.1MM - taken for “Top 51” - Sportrac current estimate is that Bills are over by $2.8MM for all - Link to Sportrac in 1st post

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Eh… would rather this cap on a solid interior linemen… if Josh goes down this team is screwed anyway. 

Josh can go "down" for 4-5 games and solid backup can make a huge difference then.

Edited March 23, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

I'll correct you if you really want to

 

Bolded is wrong. It is actually only $1.72M - $895k for Dane Jackson and $825 for Marquez Stevenson. Stevenson's signing bonus $43k counts for cap. Completely irrelevant though

 

I also add that Sportrac still has Star's dead money at $5.2M, so they clearly think its post 1 June cut and there will be another $2.6M dead cap in 2023. 

 

 

 

OK, so

 

Bills cap space after this deal recorded on Spotrac:  $2.56M

Not included: Lawson, Barkley

Additional cap from pushing lowest deals off top-51:$1.72M

 

Available cap to sign Lawson and Barkley:                 $4.28M

 

I don't understand the Star figures at all.

[jlgarsh]

It was showing Star's dead cap at $7.7 million the other day?

[No_Matter_What]

3 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

It was showing Star's dead cap at $7.7 million the other day?

Yes, first couple of days Sportrac had it at 7.7M, which was consistent with some tweet that it was standard cut. 2 days ago or so they changed it.

[aristocrat]

So who gets restructured now? 

[Warcodered]

 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Posted just now · IP

Bills cap space after this deal recorded on Spotrac:  $2.56M

Not included: Lawson, Barkley

Additional cap from pushing lowest deals off top-51: $1.76M

 

Available cap to sign Lawson and Barkley:                 $4.32M

 

I think! 

Feel certain someone will correct me if I'm wrong

 

Marquez Stevenson is the next to get pushed off the 51 but his yearly signing bonus of $43,136 stays on the Top 51 total.

 

Barkley is going to be around vet minimum so that leaves plenty for Shaq which I think will be around $2.5M.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Josh can go "down" for 4-5 games and solid backup can make a huge difference then.

Or the nightmare - josh gets a mild concussion late in a playoff game. A guy that can string a couple drives together without a boneheaded mistake sure is nice.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Marquez Stevenson is the next to get pushed off the 51 but his yearly signing bonus of $43,136 stays on the Top 51 total.

 

Barkley is going to be around vet minimum so that leaves plenty for Shaq which I think will be around $2.5M.

 

I've even wondered if Barkley would get a VSB contract with part of his salary guaranteed and the max bonus. 

Similar to Greg Mancz - salary of $1.12M with $0.2M guaranteed; $152,500 signing bonus for a total compensation of $1.273M which I estimate as roughly twice what I guesstimate Barkley made between practice squads and weeks on the 53 man roster last year, and roughly half what he made last year guaranteed.

 

Cap charge to the Bills of $1,047,500, which is vet minimum plus the bonus - while that's not a lot of savings per contract, over 6 players it frees up money to sign more guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jlgarsh]

Barkley is in now! Barely moved the Bills cap space with top 51 rules

[jlgarsh]

Also, Shaq Lawson signed for the veteran's minimum it looks like $1,047,500. Taiwan Jones is the only one not in right now. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 3/23/2022 at 8:20 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I've even wondered if Barkley would get a VSB contract with part of his salary guaranteed and the max bonus. 

Similar to Greg Mancz - salary of $1.12M with $0.2M guaranteed; $152,500 signing bonus for a total compensation of $1.273M which I estimate as roughly twice what I guesstimate Barkley made between practice squads and weeks on the 53 man roster last year, and roughly half what he made last year guaranteed.

 

Cap charge to the Bills of $1,047,500, which is vet minimum plus the bonus - while that's not a lot of savings per contract, over 6 players it frees up money to sign more guys.

 

So WOW.  Barkley did get a VSB contract, but for only a $25k bonus and $100k guaranteed of his salary.  Total compensation to Barkley $1.145M, total cap charge to the Bills $0.920M

 

I am looking at this and Shaq Lawson's contract (also a VSB deal) and going WHAT DID I JUST READ?

 

We had $2.56M in cap, we just signed two vets, now we have $2.3M cap

 

SMDH

 

Wonder what the Bares offered Bates.  

[jlgarsh]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So WOW.  Barkley did get a VSB contract, but for only a $25k bonus and $100k guaranteed of his salary.  Total compensation to Barkley $1.145M, total cap charge to the Bills $0.920M

 

I am looking at this and Shaq Lawson's contract (also a VSB deal) and going WHAT DID I JUST READ?

 

We had $2.56M in cap, we just signed two vets, now we have $2.3M cap

 

SMDH

 

Wonder what the Bares offered Bates.  

They really must have wanted to come back pretty badly

[Locomark]

JUST IGNORE SPORTRAC During this part of the season. It’s basically meaningless. We will be signing draft picks and another corner which means more restructures are coming so it means nothing. 

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

My theory that difference in this number and number showed by Sportrac (2.3M) is Jordan Phillips contract. Sportrac shows 3.5M cap hit but misses contract details and there is something different at overthecap, so I think there is actually a void year and his 2022 cap hit is lower. So I tend to believe we have actually 2.9M but lower cap space next year.

 

17 minutes ago, Locomark said:

JUST IGNORE SPORTRAC During this part of the season. It’s basically meaningless. We will be signing draft picks and another corner which means more restructures are coming so it means nothing. 

This makes zero sense. Just because things can and will change it doesn't mean that current data mean nothing. We know exacty how much draft picks cost so we can calculate that. If we sign another corner and make one more restructure how does it make all current data irrelevant? 

57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So WOW.  Barkley did get a VSB contract, but for only a $25k bonus and $100k guaranteed of his salary.  Total compensation to Barkley $1.145M, total cap charge to the Bills $0.920M

 

I am looking at this and Shaq Lawson's contract (also a VSB deal) and going WHAT DID I JUST READ?

 

We had $2.56M in cap, we just signed two vets, now we have $2.3M cap

 

SMDH

 

Wonder what the Bares offered Bates.  

Now we see why Lawson was more reluctant to sign a contract than Phillips

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

In fairness Beane said his assessment was based on including a few things that were not yet in the public domain. Who knows how many of those 5 were included. 

[TPS]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So WOW.  Barkley did get a VSB contract, but for only a $25k bonus and $100k guaranteed of his salary.  Total compensation to Barkley $1.145M, total cap charge to the Bills $0.920M

 

I am looking at this and Shaq Lawson's contract (also a VSB deal) and going WHAT DID I JUST READ?

 

We had $2.56M in cap, we just signed two vets, now we have $2.3M cap

 

SMDH

 

Wonder what the Bares offered Bates.  

If Bates leaves, I wonder if they'll focus their (currently) available cap $$ on signing a vet CB?  They'd have $3.5-4 mil...?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

In fairness Beane said his assessment was based on including a few things that were not yet in the public domain. Who knows how many of those 5 were included. 

 

I thought Beane said "we might sign a few guys at for minimum contracts" or something of the sort.

 

We just had no idea all these reported signings fell into that bucket, including Shaq

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Now we see why Lawson was more reluctant to sign a contract than Phillips

 

Ha!  I think he signed it, it just took a long time for the NFL to process it. 

 

I could be wrong but at a hunch, all the reported/visualized signings that took a long time to make it to Spotrac may have incentives that had to be reviewed by the NFL to confirm if they were correctly classed as "unlikely to be earned" and therefore don't count against the cap.

 

As for the contract size, when a guy has been traded for a pick/player swap (6th for 7th) after 1 year of big contract, then traded again for a 6th to his 3rd team in 3 years,  then released from that team before the end of the season, he has to know that his value is falling fast.  The contract is consistent with his current value.  He may not make the team.