Is the Salary Cap real?

[PatsFanNH]

57 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

It is Real.  But it very pliable and easily manipulated when you have an owner with CASH.

 

But eventually Bills will come due, the proper management is making sure those Bills come due in years that it is manageable.  And Beane has SHOWN that he understands that.

Perfectly put! You need an owner willing to spend the money! The cap is real when a team has a lot of dead cap money hitting it. For example 2 years ago NE couldn’t afford a pack of gum w it’s salary cap situation.. but it took 20 years for that to come home to bite them.. 

[DCbillsfan]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

You’re describing NFL socialism, not a salary cap.  It’s not the cap that levels the field, it’s the fact that teams split all media rights money equally.  

If the cap isn't real how come the Rams couldn't keep Miller?  Apparently McVay called Miller 3x yesterday trying to persuade him to come back.

Edited March 17, 2022 by DCbillsfan

[DCbillsfan]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

You’re describing NFL socialism, not a salary cap.  It’s not the cap that levels the field, it’s the fact that teams split all media rights money equally.  

Socialism seriously?  So Matt Haack makes as much money as Josh Allen?  

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

If the cap isn't real how come the Rams couldn't keep Miller?

Because they already used up most of their push it forward maneuvers.  The cap is real to the extent that it is an accounting device that prevents a Jerry Jones from significantly out-spending other teams while at the same time it also prevents a Jerry Jones from spending too much of his future cap.  So it protects parity and protects the owners from themselves at the same time 

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

If the cap isn't real how come the Rams couldn't keep Miller?  Apparently McVay called Miller 3x yesterday trying to persuade him to come back.

And had 17M to give to him.  So again the money was there, it wasnt like they were trying to do it on the cheap.  They just didnt want to do the team.  I am guessing Rams was 1 year 17.5M, Miller wanted some term

Edited March 17, 2022 by MAJBobby

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, DCbillsfan said:

Socialism seriously?  So Matt Haack makes as much money as Josh Allen?  

Yes.  Jerry Jones makes the same amount from the media rights deal as Shahid Khan even though Dallas brings in 10 times more eyeballs.  

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

This is just false.

Bruce, Thurman and Andre were not cut because of cap.

 

McD and Beane came in and cut everyone creating 80 million in dead Cap. They were not and have not ever been in cap hell.

 

 

I'm done with this, enjoy constantly worrying about the cap and whether they will be doomed in 2-4 years. Im gona enjoy this ride. 

 

 

I don't know what to say to you, man.

 

Yes, Bruce, Thurman and Andre absolutely were cut because of the cap.

 

And yes McDermott and Beane did indeed cut guys creating massive amounts of dead cap. The reason they did that is because they inherited a team in awful cap shape, with a ton of over-large contracts with Clay and the now-underperforming Dareus being probably the two worst, but there were more. Getting rid of those contracts did indeed mean a ton of dead cap. But the dead cap was a symptom. Not the cause of the trouble.

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

 Beane has handled the cap beautifully, and allowed himself the room to take a shot like this. 

This. He really has done an amazing job with this since he has been here. In Beane We Trust.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Let's put it this way, the cap is real. NFL contracts aren't real.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

The cap would be real if it was a set amount for several years in a row.  Teams know that the cap will generally go up every season and can use that when restructuring contracts.  The only way the cap becomes "real" is if it stops increasing every year.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

I keep seeing this and its very much not the same thing at all.

 

I cant just choose to not pay some of that money i owe on my credit card and cut it. 

Actually, you can.  Think of some of the debt as a subscription service you are paying for, like Prime or whatever.  You have the ability to cut off the service and not have to pay for it anymore.  Then you can kick the can down the road by transferring the debt to another card for a period, etc. You always have to make your minimum payment, but you can play until you run out of credit lines.  With big dumps of cash, that can go on for a LONG time.

[DCbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Yes.  Jerry Jones makes the same amount from the media rights deal as Shahid Khan even though Dallas brings in 10 times more eyeballs.  

I wouldn't call it socialism but whatever.  I'm glad they share tv revenue otherwise the Bills wouldn't be in Buffalo.

[Brandon]

The cap is real,  but it can be manipulated under league contract rules.  Plus,  the cap is projected to skyrocket over the next few years once the new CBA kicks in,  so I think the Bills and a few other teams are betting on that as well. 

[Don Otreply]

It’s a Shrodengers(sp) cat sort of thing…, 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Sometimes it's best to keep these things in layman's terms:

 

 

[Don Otreply]

13 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

Socialism seriously?  So Matt Haack makes as much money as Josh Allen?  

Teams share, players not so much, 

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And had 17M to give to him.  So again the money was there, it wasnt like they were trying to do it on the cheap.  They just didnt want to do the team.  I am guessing Rams was 1 year 17.5M, Miller wanted some term

 

Also the Rams don't have remotely the same draft pick situation that we have.  The Bills can backfill cheap talent through the draft... the Rams aren't exactly in the same situation. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Also the Rams don't have remotely the same draft pick situation that we have.  The Bills can backfill cheap talent through the draft... the Rams aren't exactly in the same situation. 

Agree but that is the reality as reported.  Money was the same the term wasnt

[Thurman#1]

24 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

The cap would be real if it was a set amount for several years in a row.  Teams know that the cap will generally go up every season and can use that when restructuring contracts.  The only way the cap becomes "real" is if it stops increasing every year.

 

 

Nah.

 

My credit limit is real whether it goes up or down or stays the same. Same with the cap. 

 

The cap is a bit easier to deal with when it goes up, certainly. But the minute the cap goes up, inflation hits salaries and the players cost more.

[BuffaloRebound]

28 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

No. For a ton of reasons.

 

When a house goes up in value 10% every year, it doubles value every 7.2 years. The salary cap most recently took 16 years to double.

 

It's not at all like a home equity line. A home equity line is for one asset. This is about 50+ assets being juggled around wildly. A credit card is a much more reasonable comparison.

 

If you go all in this year, it doesn't mean other teams will have more money to spend than you. Every team, every year has the same cap. Your cap situation doesn't affect other teams. It affects your teams. And sooner or later enough kicked cans means you will have to cut assets that would be much better to keep if you are trying to win a title that year. It means you end up losing Von Miller even when you just won a championship with him. Or Thurman and Bruce and Andre. Or whoever. It ends championship windows. It makes your future less bright.

 

And right now our potential championship window is probably somewhere around 14 or 15 years.

 

 

 

 

Um, no, it's the cap. Certainly splitting the media rights helps a great deal, but even so the Cowboys make a squatload more than the Bills or Steelers or Packers do. The cap is huge in maintaining parity.

 

The salary cap is 32 houses worth the same amount that goes up in value 10% every year (that might be conservative with the new TV and streaming deals and the gambling rights for the next 10 years).  Each team is given a home equity line on that house that you don’t have to pay interest on and a yearly salary cap for accounting purposes to preserve parity.  If you wanna spend more this year, but push the accounting salary cap charge for it to future years, that’s your prerogative.  

Credit card isn’t a good example because interest always accrues and you’re spending money you may or may not have. The salary cap is spending money you will have in future years today that doesn’t accrue interest and the money you will have in the future years grows 10% every year for the next 10 years.  (Those media rights deals are locked in).  It’s a debit card, not a credit card.