SCBills Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 We all see this question. Is it, is it not? The answer lies somewhere in the middle. It’s real. Also, it’s not. How could it be real is a team with Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs and Tre White can afford Von Miller at 6yr/120M!? Well, in part because, as we all know now, the devil is on the details. It’s essentially a 3yr/53M deal. Years 4,5,6 “may” have some dead cap to deal with, but it sounds structured so that those dead cap hits are minimal, especially with the cap rising. Keep in mind, teams typically keep 14M in dead cap year to year. However, the cap is also real. By all reports, the Rams came close on the money, but couldn’t get to where the Bills came in. They tried as hard as they could to keep him. McVay reportedly on the phone with Miller 3x yesterday. Why couldn’t they get there on the money?.. Stafford, Donald, Kupp, Ramsey… At some point you just can’t make it work and will lose someone. That may very well happen to us if say, Tremaine Edmunds balls out on an elite defense next year. He may look like a generational talent out there behind this DL (wishful thinking). But if he does, do we keep him? Can we? And if we do, do we lose Oliver and/or Knox? The cap can be manipulated, but at some point it’s real… and it may become real for us next off-season if we want to re-sign all 3, but can’t. Or maybe Beane works more magic. Either way. LETS GO!!! We’re not in cap hell by making this Miller move. Beane has handled the cap beautifully, and allowed himself the room to take a shot like this. 1 Quote
DJB Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Its as real as Kim Kardashians lips and booty 1 2 Quote
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 It is Real. But it very pliable and easily manipulated when you have an owner with CASH. But eventually Bills will come due, the proper management is making sure those Bills come due in years that it is manageable. And Beane has SHOWN that he understands that. 1 Quote
CountDorkula Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: It is Real. But it very pliable and easily manipulated when you have an owner with CASH. But eventually Bills will come due, the proper management is making sure those Bills come due in years that it is manageable. And Beane has SHOWN that he understands that. Does it? We have been saying that for years with the Saints and they were 80 million over the cap this year. They didn't cut a single player and moved around 90+ million dollars. Quote
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 I saw this tweet yesterday and thought that Brandon Beane must have it engraved in granite above his desk. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, CountDorkula said: Does it? We have been saying that for years with the Saints and they were 80 million over the cap this year. They didn't cut a single player and moved around 90+ million dollars. They have no QB 1 1 Quote
nucci Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: We all see this question. Is it, is it not? The answer lies somewhere in the middle. It’s real. Also, it’s not. How could it be real is a team with Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs and Tre White can afford Von Miller at 6yr/120M!? Well, in part because, as we all know now, the devil is on the details. It’s essentially a 3yr/53M deal. Years 4,5,6 “may” have some dead cap to deal with, but it sounds structured so that those dead cap hits are minimal, especially with the cap rising. Keep in mind, teams typically keep 14M in dead cap year to year. However, the cap is also real. By all reports, the Rams came close on the money, but couldn’t get to where the Bills came in. They tried as hard as they could to keep him. McVay reportedly on the phone with Miller 3x yesterday. Why couldn’t they get there on the money?.. Stafford, Donald, Kupp, Ramsey… At some point you just can’t make it work and will lose someone. That may very well happen to us if say, Tremaine Edmunds balls out on an elite defense next year. He may look like a generational talent out there behind this DL (wishful thinking). But if he does, do we keep him? Can we? And if we do, do we lose Oliver and/or Knox? The cap can be manipulated, but at some point it’s real… and it may become real for us next off-season if we want to re-sign all 3, but can’t. Or maybe Beane works more magic. Either way. LETS GO!!! We’re not in cap hell by making this Miller move. Beane has handled the cap beautifully, and allowed himself the room to take a shot like this. Because of the many options regarding how contracts can be written and restructured. Plus the cap is over $200M per team and rising every year Quote
Lost Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 It's about as real as our Federal budget 1 3 1 Quote
CountDorkula Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Mr. WEO said: They have no QB A) That is their own fault for giving out that contract to Taysom Hill. B) They are the favorites to trade for Deshaun Watson. Quote
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, CountDorkula said: Does it? We have been saying that for years with the Saints and they were 80 million over the cap this year. They didn't cut a single player and moved around 90+ million dollars. Yeah and not smart for them. New Coach no Viable QB. Why are they kicking cans, this should have been the year to fix their cap. As long as your QB is in place you can keep kicking that can. You lose that QB a smart team resets and settles their debt. Example on a small Scale Bills are tight with STAR but even the structure allows savings even when the Bills comes due on cutting. What also helps limit those future Bills due is as long as WHO you signed to that contract remains productive until minimum the "out year" it remains manageable. Where those future Bills really hurt when they come due is if the player isnt performing and needs to be moved on. Quote
Big Turk Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) The cap can always be manipulated by either cutting players, getting them to take paycuts or kicking the can down the road. Edited March 17, 2022 by Big Turk Quote
gonzo1105 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 It is but GM's are given knowledge of where the Cap is going in future years so they know how to structure deals to make it all fit. The Bills dont have a lot of money this year but they have money 2-3 years from now and that doesn't account for the TV deal bump its gonna get. Okay so they do a lower base salary this year for Miller and give him a massive signing bonus to spead the cap number so he fits this year and will get more in future years when the cap explodes. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, CountDorkula said: A) That is their own fault for giving out that contract to Taysom Hill. B) They are the favorites to trade for Deshaun Watson. point is they aren't paying a franchise QB salary right now. what until they have to 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 If anything what it SHOULD show to fans. STOP worrying about the Salary Cap. We have a GM that knows how to manage it and manipulate it. An owner that will lay the cash out. ID your players get your player manipulate the cap to fit your players. Stop worrying about the "cap" as fans. Bills just showed, and have shown with Beane it is something they look at but also will not stop them from getting the players they want. Quote
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Is your credit card real? Same deal. You can keep your debt revolving, you can take debt from one card and pay it with another so its not due this month but next month instead. But none of the debt goes away. The more you revolve it, the more it grows. As you continue, you'll be able to take advantage of some opportunities. But not others. The further in debt you get the more opportunities you'll miss on. Eventually, the reckoning will come. It's not very difficult to understand. Quote
CountDorkula Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Thurman#1 said: Is your credit card real? Same deal. You can keep your debt revolving, you can take debt from one card and pay it with another so its not due this month but next month instead. But none of the debt goes away. The more you revolve it, the more it grows. As you continue, you'll be able to take advantage of some opportunities. But not others. The further in debt you get the more opportunities you'll miss on. Eventually, the reckoning will come. It's not very difficult to understand. I keep seeing this and its very much not the same thing at all. I cant just choose to not pay some of that money i owe on my credit card and cut it. Quote
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The cap can always be manipulated by either cutting players or kicking the can down the road. It CAN be manipulated. Just as you CAN always pay off one card with another. "CAN" isn't the important point. "SHOULD" is the important point. Should you? Quote
HOUSE Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) My new Rolex watch, 15 bucks online Edited March 17, 2022 by HOUSE 1 Quote
CountDorkula Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: point is they aren't paying a franchise QB salary right now. what until they have to Drew Brees agrees. 1 Quote
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