All_Pro_Bills Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Neither side holds the patent on corruption. This saga has become way too common throughout our public ‘servant’ class. The proverbial slippery slope appears to be knee high in crisco! Corruption is systemic. Once you're in the Washington country club you're granted license to steal, cheat, and lie and provided protection from anyone objecting or attempting to expose your actions and immunity from any legal action. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The missing part of the story is what the Biden's provided to their foreign contacts in return for those payments? Sure, we can conclude at a minimum Hunter was trading on the Biden name. But Hunter had/has no capacity to deliver anything of value to those players, namely favors or influence over government policy or actions. The only family member with that capability was/is Joe Biden. Just using some logical extrapolation would implicate the President. Yes, that's why it's influence peddling. But at the risk of being accused of what I just decried - "whataboutism" - that's why relatives of presidents and vice presidents always seem to fall into money. In my lifetime: Donald Nixon. Billy Carter. Neil Bush. Jared Kushner (how this Orthodox Jew suddenly became a great friend to the sheikhs is a good story). Hunter Biden. Influence peddling, or trading on one's names/associations is unfortunately the norm, not the exception. It's a blurred line, but there's still a line between one's sleazy relative influence peddling and you yourself taking an active role as an active office holder. 2
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, JDHillFan said: A factor to consider when considering Joe Biden’s motivations is that throughout his public life, going back to his law school bragging and plagiarism issues, there is not a lie that The Big Guy will not tell in service to himself. It’s a big part of who/what he is. Agree….but in THIS case just re-read Frank’s post. He is spot on. Joe figured he’d cash in on his way out and in doing so he crossed the line. He just never thought anyone would care about the conduct of an ex-vice president. 1 1
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Agree….but in THIS case just re-read Frank’s post. He is spot on. Joe figured he’d cash in on his way out and in doing so he crossed the line. He just never thought anyone would care about the conduct of an ex-vice president. Absolutely agree that is a more than plausible view. The decades of lying cannot be discounted however. 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Agree….but in THIS case just re-read Frank’s post. He is spot on. Joe figured he’d cash in on his way out and in doing so he crossed the line. He just never thought anyone would care about the conduct of an ex-vice president. And I should add that Obama clearly didn’t give a shite what Joe was doing. He’d ignored Joe for his entire presidency.
The Frankish Reich Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: He's shown his stripes for decades--lying about academics, his accomplishments, what he's done Why do I say he let his guard down, or alternatively decided - late in life, when his "knew" his public life was coming to an end - to cash in? Because he did, by modern DC standards, live a fairly modest upper middle class existence throughout his years in the Senate. In fact, if I remember correctly, he was one of the "poorest" members of the Senate by net worth. But people are waving money at you and you've already run your last race? (Or so you think?) Why not take it! 1
Westside Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Deek is a liberal! 17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Maybe. At a minimum he wasn't as careful as he should have been. Aren't there stories about Hunter introducing his dad to various unsavory actors at functions, etc? But again, the line between "unsavory" and "high crimes and misdemeanors" - did Joe approve of his name being dropped? Help his son in arranging these meetings? And the big one: actually receive money or gifts in kind in exchange for allowing his name to be dropped? Or maybe I'm not a liberal after all. Actually, I am kind of an old fashioned good governance centrist. And whether rising to the impeachable level or not, I'm still idealistic enough to be offended by what politicians think is o.k. Be careful, they’ll be calling you a white supremacist if they hear you talking like that! 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: He just never thought anyone would care about the conduct of an ex-vice president. And nobody ever does. What has Dan Quayle been up to?
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, JDHillFan said: Absolutely agree that is a more than plausible view. The decades of lying cannot be discounted however. True….but….when he was involved in all of these phone calls he wasn’t lying about anything.He only lied many years later when his idiot son left his laptop at the repair store.
Westside Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Absolutely agree that is a more than plausible view. The decades of lying cannot be discounted however. I agree, I don’t for a second believe he woke up one day (in his 60’s) and decided he was going to be a criminal. He’s been a POS his whole life. No wonder his kids are just like him! 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: He only lied many years later when his idiot son left his laptop at the repair store. Digression re the laptop. People here like to mock those who initially thought (or pretended to think) that the laptop was a dirty political trick. I am one of those people who thought it did bear the earmarks of a dirty trick. Why? I mean, I wasn't born yesterday, and I've worked alongside law enforcement agencies for a lot of my career, so I thought I'd seen it all. Here's why: - the story seemed too good to be true. Hunter drops off a laptop at a mom and pop repair shop. Forgets to pick it up. Laptop tech sees all sorts of things on the hard drive. I've worked these cases when they've involved kiddie pr0n. It happens. It usually gets reported to local law enforcement, then if a possible federal crime to FBI/DHS. - but this guy "reports" it through political channels, eventually landing in the lap of one Rudy Giuliani, who seems to gloat even before the NY Post story is written about some kind of bombshell about to drop. It seemed to good to be true (at least "too good" if you're Giuliani). But even though I know perfectly well in my head that drug addicts do incredibly, preposterously stupid things all the time (i.e., the reason they're caught), I didn't fathom exactly how far gone Hunter really was. So yes, he really did leave an incriminating laptop at a repair shop for over 30 days. He also left a crack pipe in a rental car return. And it just so happened that the repairman probably really didn't like Joe Biden or really did like Donald Trump, and so he pursued a weird channel to publicize its contents. In retrospect, I don't think I was a fool to be skeptical about the initial claims. But that's because the true scenario is so outrageous that if it had been written in a Hollywood script the editors probably would have rewritten it because it was so laugh-out-loud implausible ... Edited August 1, 2023 by The Frankish Reich
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Westside said: I agree, I don’t for a second believe he woke up one day (in his 60’s) and decided he was going to be a criminal. He’s been a POS his whole life. No wonder his kids are just like him! That’s why this is called ‘corruption’ and not ‘theft’. The people who do it don’t thinks it’s a crime. They do it because they think they are owed something for their years of ‘service’. The sooner we stop calling these people public ‘servants’ the better! They aren’t volunteers. They are paid for doing their jobs, just like everyone else. 3 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 1, 2023 Author Posted August 1, 2023 What an amazing series of events that led to Joe Biden personally fulfilling what Burisma was paying Hunter Biden to accomplish. What are the odds? Even when Biden business associate Tony Bobulinski described — in detail, on the record, and with supporting evidence — how Joe Biden served as the “chairman” of the family business, the media largely ignored the explosive claims. However, Goldman claimed, they were only talking about the weather. While no one actually thinks Joe Biden has a secret interest in meteorology that he only shares with corrupt foreign oligarchs who happen to be in business with his son, the claim is ridiculous for another reason. As conservative broadcaster Larry O’Connor wrote, “Understand this: Hunter getting Joe on speakerphone WAS THE DELIVERABLE. It literally doesn’t matter what was discussed. Showing that he could get the Vice President of the United States on the phone was all Hunter had to show his clients to seal the deal. He was selling ACCESS not policy. Getting The Big Guy to pick up the phone demonstrated his ability to deliver that access. Case closed. Impeach.” 2
SoCal Deek Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 What I find to be absolutely hilarious is that Hunter was on the Board of an OIL COMPANY! Apparently Joe believes that “climate change” stops at the US border. What a freaking hypocrite! 3 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Neither side holds the patent on corruption. This saga has become way too common throughout our public ‘servant’ class. The proverbial slippery slope appears to be knee high in crisco! I should have said DEM. both the DEM and GOP are corrupt to the core. 4
The Frankish Reich Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The sooner we stop calling these people public ‘servants’ the better! They aren’t volunteers. They are paid for doing their jobs, just like everyone else. Well, true. For a lot (most?) of our high level elected officials. I was a public servant at various times, and I (and almost everyone I worked with) never thought for a second about improperly enriching ourselves by association with our public employment. I guess this is why I (even as one of the ostensible "liberals" here) am personally offended by this type of behavior, when impeachable (or even illegal at all) or not. Edited August 1, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 2
BillsFanNC Posted August 1, 2023 Author Posted August 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I should have said DEM. both the DEM and GOP are corrupt to the core. And anyone who insists that corruption exists only on one side and never on their side are those you should immediately dismiss and ignore. The King, Quack MD and @BillStime come to mind. 3 1
B-Man Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 Surprise—Joe Biden Was His Idiot Son’s Calling Card and Closer. “If one takes a close look at Joey Scranton’s boy Hunter, it doesn’t take long to figure out that the kid wasn’t headed for anywhere but a taxpayer funded state hoosegow if he didn’t have a famous and connected daddy https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2023/08/01/the-morning-briefing-surprise-joe-biden-was-his-idiot-sons-calling-card-and-closer-n1714967 .
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