🇨🇳🇷🇴🇺🇦 Biden's Corruption: $20M+ bribes. All the evidence that isn't evidence.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Speaking as a guy who worked with public elected officials for over FORTY years; the minute Joe got brought into any one of those phone calls he should have immediately said “I can’t be involved here” and gotten off the call. Then…he should’ve told his son to NEVER do that again. 

Of course it's as simple as that.  In some respects, it's like Trump exposing his throat to his enemies.  Surely Biden would know that working in concert with his son, on foreign business deals, in countries perpetually at odds with ethical business practices and the best interests of the US, would raise serious concerns about his integrity.  Obviously, he didn't care. 

 

That's part of a trend, too, as we see he didn't care about removing or possessing classified materials and documents over the past couple decades.   Frank(ish)ly, even if his preposterous "Someone else did it" finger pointing defies common sense and logic is true, it might even be worse--he repeatedly delegated his responsibility in safe, secure handling of classified documents and failed, repeatedly, blissfully unaware. 

 

On the other hand, it's probably better in Washington to be incredibly powerful and corrupt, than following rules applied to lesser men. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Of course it's as simple as that.  In some respects, it's like Trump exposing his throat to his enemies.  Surely Biden would know that working in concert with his son, on foreign business deals, in countries perpetually at odds with ethical business practices and the best interests of the US, would raise serious concerns about his integrity.  Obviously, he didn't care. 

 

That's part of a trend, too, as we see he didn't care about removing or possessing classified materials and documents over the past couple decades.   Frank(ish)ly, even if his preposterous "Someone else did it" finger pointing defies common sense and logic is true, it might even be worse--he repeatedly delegated his responsibility in safe, secure handling of classified documents and failed, repeatedly, blissfully unaware. 

 

On the other hand, it's probably better in Washington to be incredibly powerful and corrupt, than following rules applied to lesser men. 

 

Elected officials regularly take a class on this kind of activity. You are taught/instructed to extricate yourself from the situation. Period!  

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

would raise serious concerns about his integrity.  Obviously, he didn't care. 

Plays into my notion that Joe really thought his public life was over after 2016. He got drafted into running for president because he still carried with him some of the allure (for Democrats) of the Obama years. Politicians today seem to think they have a right not just to a comfortable ex-presidency/vice presidency, but also to accumulation of wealth for themselves and their children.

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Plays into my notion that Joe really thought his public life was over after 2016. He got drafted into running for president because he still carried with him some of the allure (for Democrats) of the Obama years. Politicians today seem to think they have a right not just to a comfortable ex-presidency/vice presidency, but also to accumulation of wealth for themselves and their children.

This! Very very well said Frank. This is EXACTLY what was happening. 

[BillsFanNC]

Let's take a look at just one of the 170 SARs shall we?

 

What's this about human trafficking?

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

This! Very very well said Frank. This is EXACTLY what was happening. 

My issue is this: as soon as Obama was reelected in November 2012, Joe "knew" his life in office was coming to an end. Hunter was trading on his name by 2014. We can assume Joe knew this, but other than a stern talking to, I'm not sure there was anything he could do about it.

But did it go beyond looking the other way? Looping Joe in on a phone call while he was veep is a whole different animal than doing it in 2017.

[BillStime]

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[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

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Also true.

But I don't want to fall into the trap of "the other guy did it, even worse" trap. Whataboutism is a distraction whichever side it's coming from.

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

My issue is this: as soon as Obama was reelected in November 2012, Joe "knew" his life in office was coming to an end. Hunter was trading on his name by 2014. We can assume Joe knew this, but other than a stern talking to, I'm not sure there was anything he could do about it.

But did it go beyond looking the other way? Looping Joe in on a phone call while he was veep is a whole different animal than doing it in 2017.

The party had moved on to Hilary as the next candidate, just like Kamala is being overlooked now. Joe knew EXACTLY what these phone calls were about. He should be shown the door by his own party if not via impeachment. This is totally unacceptable behavior by an elected official at the local school board level. Again…period! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Plays into my notion that Joe really thought his public life was over after 2016. He got drafted into running for president because he still carried with him some of the allure (for Democrats) of the Obama years. Politicians today seem to think they have a right not just to a comfortable ex-presidency/vice presidency, but also to accumulation of wealth for themselves and their children.

Maybe, but you don't suddenly forget the rules of engagement, and the harm to the idea of the Republic.  He didn't take a job at a law firm and leverage his power, he was dealing with sketchy nations and even sketchier people.  

 

I'd bet he lost his way and sold out long before he retired.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

This is totally unacceptable behavior by an elected official

Agreed. Right now we know - actually, we have an admission - that Joe was on a call with Hunter and his slimy funders AFTER Joe had "retired" from public life.

The other shoe that may or may not drop: what about 2016? 2015? 2014?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

This! Very very well said Frank. This is EXACTLY what was happening. 

Deek is a liberal!

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I'd bet he lost his way and sold out long before he retired.

Maybe.

At a minimum he wasn't as careful as he should have been. Aren't there stories about Hunter introducing his dad to various unsavory actors at functions, etc?

But again, the line between "unsavory" and "high crimes and misdemeanors" - did Joe approve of his name being dropped? Help his son in arranging these meetings? And the big one: actually receive money or gifts in kind in exchange for allowing his name to be dropped?

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Deek is a liberal!

Or maybe I'm not a liberal after all.

Actually, I am kind of an old fashioned good governance centrist. And whether rising to the impeachable level or not, I'm still idealistic enough to be offended by what politicians think is o.k.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Deek is a liberal!

I’m 100% against public corruption. If that makes me a liberal…so be it. I lived and worked in that swamp for four decades. Joe Biden should go down as the poster child for exactly what NOT to do in every training session from this day forward. Unfortunately they’ll circle the wagons around him and nobody will learn anything. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Maybe.

At a minimum he wasn't as careful as he should have been. Aren't there stories about Hunter introducing his dad to various unsavory actors at functions, etc?

But again, the line between "unsavory" and "high crimes and misdemeanors" - did Joe approve of his name being dropped? Help his son in arranging these meetings? And the big one: actually receive money or gifts in kind in exchange for allowing his name to be dropped?

The missing part of the story is what the Biden's provided to their foreign contacts in return for those payments?  Sure, we can conclude at a minimum Hunter was trading on the Biden name.  But Hunter had/has no capacity to deliver anything of value to those players, namely favors or influence over government policy or actions.  The only family member with that capability was/is Joe Biden.  Just using some logical extrapolation would implicate the President.  

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m 100% against public corruption. If that makes me a liberal…so be it. I lived and worked in that swamp for four decades. Joe Biden should go down as the poster child for exactly what NOT to do in every training session from this day forward. Unfortunately they’ll circle the wagons around him and nobody will learn anything. 

if you are 100% against corruption, you're not a modern liberal.

 

 

 

 

[Westside]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Deek is a liberal!

I knew it!!!

🤣

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

if you are 100% against corruption, you're not a modern liberal.

 

 

 

 

Neither side holds the patent on corruption. This saga has become way too common throughout our public ‘servant’ class. The proverbial slippery slope appears to be knee high in crisco! 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

A factor to consider when considering Joe Biden’s motivations is that throughout his public life, going back to his law school bragging and plagiarism issues, there is not a lie that The Big Guy will not tell in service to himself. It’s a big part of who/what he is. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m 100% against public corruption. If that makes me a liberal…so be it. I lived and worked in that swamp for four decades. Joe Biden should go down as the poster child for exactly what NOT to do in every training session from this day forward. Unfortunately they’ll circle the wagons around him and nobody will learn anything. 

I actually started typing "Deek and Frankish sittin in a tree!" but changed it up. 

 

I am with you and Frankish, generally here.  However, as this is a message board and not a court, I'm quite comfortable with the notion that Biden did not stumble into this sort of thing late in life.  He's shown his stripes for decades--lying about academics, his accomplishments, what he's done...and more recently partnered with the dems in the Russia scandal.   

 

Biden is about Biden, and it seems extraordinarily likely he's been feeding at the trough for a long time.     F him.