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58 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

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"The hearing was temporarily derailed when judge Noreika said she didn’t understand what Hunter Biden could still be charged with. She asked questions that exposed a difference of understanding between Justice Department prosecutors and Biden’s lawyer, Chris Clark.

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β€œI don’t really understand the scope” of the agreement, Noreika said. She noted that Biden has had numerous foreign business dealings. At one point, she raised a hypothetical as to whether Biden could be charged as acting as an unregistered foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. -Bloomberg

She also called the deal federal prosecutors reached with Hunter over his gun possession offense "unusual," and that it contains some "non-standard terms," such as "broad immunity" from other potential charges.

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"We don't usually make diversion agreements public," she said.

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Leo Wise, an assistant US attorney representing the government at the hearing, said that Biden could still be charged with a FARA violation. His statement prompted Clark to object to the scope of what Biden could still be charged with.

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Noreika asked the prosecutors and defense lawyers to resolve their differences about the plea agreement and temporarily adjourned the hearing.

When the hearing resumed, Wise and Clark said they were in agreement that the non-prosecution aspects of the deal will be limited to only tax violations, drug offenses and a firearm violation during the years 2014 to 2019. Biden can still be charged for crimes outside the scope of the deal. -Bloomberg

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Under the original plea agreement, Biden intended to plea guilty to two misdemeanor tax crimes committed in 2017 and 2018, and would avoid prison on the gun possession charge."

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If I recall the procedure correctly (legal experts here please correct me if necessary), the judge in a case must accept the plea deal made between the prosecutor and the defense.Β  If not the deal is void and the case could proceed to trial.

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4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

"The hearing was temporarily derailed when judge Noreika said she didn’t understand what Hunter Biden could still be charged with. She asked questions that exposed a difference of understanding between Justice Department prosecutors and Biden’s lawyer, Chris Clark.

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β€œI don’t really understand the scope” of the agreement, Noreika said. She noted that Biden has had numerous foreign business dealings. At one point, she raised a hypothetical as to whether Biden could be charged as acting as an unregistered foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. -Bloomberg

She also called the deal federal prosecutors reached with Hunter over his gun possession offense "unusual," and that it contains some "non-standard terms," such as "broad immunity" from other potential charges.

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"We don't usually make diversion agreements public," she said.

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Leo Wise, an assistant US attorney representing the government at the hearing, said that Biden could still be charged with a FARA violation. His statement prompted Clark to object to the scope of what Biden could still be charged with.

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Noreika asked the prosecutors and defense lawyers to resolve their differences about the plea agreement and temporarily adjourned the hearing.

When the hearing resumed, Wise and Clark said they were in agreement that the non-prosecution aspects of the deal will be limited to only tax violations, drug offenses and a firearm violation during the years 2014 to 2019. Biden can still be charged for crimes outside the scope of the deal. -Bloomberg

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Under the original plea agreement, Biden intended to plea guilty to two misdemeanor tax crimes committed in 2017 and 2018, and would avoid prison on the gun possession charge."

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If I recall the procedure correctly (legal experts here please correct me if necessary), the judge in a case must accept the plea deal made between the prosecutor and the defense.Β  If not the deal is void and the case could proceed to trial.

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The original plea would give Hunter no jail time and make him immune to all charges in the future?

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Sign me up!

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I would pay money (fine) to be able to commit any future crimes!

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The outcome of the Biden plea hearing is a cover story.

There is NO WAY that the two sides didn't discuss before today whether this was a "Global Plea" or not.

The idea that Hunter's team only learned today that other charges are still possible is idiotic. Β 

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One of two things is true:

1) There was a "wink and nod" agreement that this would be the only charges he faced, but neither side wanted to put it in writing due to the firestorm it would Β cause. Β 

2) Realizing there was no way to escape the firestorm that has come up since the plea deal surfaced, they used the "excuse" that other charges might yet be filed to step back and talk about the case further rather than go forward.

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This was performance art today. Β They knew they couldn't go forward in the face of the IRS whistleblower testimony and all the other revelations about how Hunter and Biden family members getting millions of foreign revenue

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Based on conversations with people who were in the courtroom today, and my experience as a former federal prosecutor, I think I know the full story of what happened with the Hunter Biden plea agreement blow-up this morning.

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Bear with me, because this is a little complicated:

Typically, if the Government is offering to a defendant that it will either drop charges or decline to bring new charges in return for the defendant's guilty plea, the plea is structured under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(c)(1)(A).Β  An agreement not to prosecute Hunter for FARA violations or other crimes in return for his pleading guilty to the tax misdemeanors, for example, would usually be a (c)(1)(A) plea.Β  This is open, transparent, subject to judicial approval, etc.

In Hunter's case, according to what folks in the courtroom have told me, Hunter's plea was structured under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(c)(1)(B), which is usually just a plea in return for a joint sentencing recommendation only, and contained no information on its face about other potential charges, and contained no clear agreement by DOJ to forego prosecution of other charges.

Instead, DOJ and Hunter's lawyers effectively hid that part of the agreement in what was publicly described as a pretrial diversion agreement relating to a Β§ 922(g)(3) gun charge against Hunter for being a drug user in possession of a firearm.

That pretrial diversion agreement as written was actually MUCH broader than just the gun charge. If Hunter were to complete probation, the pretrial diversion agreement prevented DOJ from ever bringing charges against Hunter for any crimes relating to the offense conduct discussed in the plea agreement, which was purposely written to include his foreign influence peddling operations in China and elsewhere.

So they put the facts in the plea agreement, but put their non-prosecution agreement in the pretrial diversion agreement, effectively hiding the full scope of what DOJ was offering and Hunter was obtaining through these proceedings.Β  Hunter's upside from this deal was vast immunity from further prosecution if he finished a couple years of probation, and the public wouldn't be any the wiser because none of this was clearly stated on the face of the plea agreement, as would normally be the case.

Judge Noreika smelled a rat. She understood that the lawyers were trying to paint her into a corner and hide the ball. Instead, she backed DOJ and Hunter's lawyers into a corner by pulling all the details out into the open and then indicating that she wasn't going to approve a deal as broad as what she had discovered.Β 

DOJ, attempting to save face and save its case, then stated on the record that the investigation into Hunter was ongoing and that Hunter remained susceptible to prosecution under FARA. Hunter's lawyers exploded. They clearly believed that FARA was covered under the deal, because as written, the pretrial diversion agreement language was broad enough to cover it. They blew up the deal, Hunter pled not guilty, and that's the current state of play.

And so here we are. Hunter's lawyers and DOJ are going to go off and try to pull together a new set of agreements, likely narrower, to satisfy Judge Noreika. Fortunately, I doubt if FARA or any charges related to Hunter's foreign influence peddling will be included, which leaves open the possibility of further investigations leading to further prosecutions.

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19 minutes ago, B-Man said:


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The whole administration is shady as hell. I’m glad the judge had the guts to put an end to that ridiculous plea bargain.

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JUDGE NOREIKA TO HUNTER BIDEN: GET A JOB, STAY SOBER

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/07/judge-noreika-to-hunter-biden-get-a-job-stay-sober.php
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WHO IS JUDGE NOREIKA?


https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/07/who-is-judge-noreika.php

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As I was sayingΒ this morning, Judge Noreika had her guard up. She asked a few pointed questions of the parties to the phony baloney β€œprosecution” of Hunter Biden, the unprecedented plea deal they cooked up is temporarily on hold. The parties β€” they will be back, but today is a great day.
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Thanks to the nature of the dirty deal β€” immunizing Hunter Biden from further β€œprosecution” while leaving the β€œprosecution” free to allege the β€œinvestigation” is ongoing β€” has been exposed. Hunter Biden has pleaded not guilty to charges for which he has no defense.

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For ordinary folks like us, we have an adversarial system of justice. When the β€œprosecution” and the defense are on the same team, as here, we have something like farce. It seems to me that the exchange tweeted out by Sol Wisenberg below goes to the heart of the production the Biden administration has presented.

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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/07/speaking-of-phony-baloney.php

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A bit off topic, but ... surely Hunter committed some kind of crime in some Republican state? I mean, he was openly traveling cross country doing drugs and hookers everywhere he went.

Where's the Republican DA working up an indictment on him?

I am aware of a police report that came out of ultra conservative Prescott AZ, where he returned a rental car with a crack pipe in it. They didn't prosecute - probably difficult to establish chain of custody of the car, etc, and it's not the type of "personal use" case that typically gets prosecuted. But come on ... there's something out there!

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11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

A bit off topic, but ... surely Hunter committed some kind of crime in some Republican state? I mean, he was openly traveling cross country doing drugs and hookers everywhere he went.

Where's the Republican DA working up an indictment on him?

I am aware of a police report that came out of ultra conservative Prescott AZ, where he returned a rental car with a crack pipe in it. They didn't prosecute - probably difficult to establish chain of custody of the car, etc, and it's not the type of "personal use" case that typically gets prosecuted. But come on ... there's something out there!

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Would this in any way resemble the highly liberal DA in Highly liberal NYC - Bragg retrying a case that was from 20 yrs ago which probably difficult to establish evidence of proof beyond a shadow of a doubt but because there was something out there they followed through with it anyway ? Just asking .

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Or am i way off base ?Β 

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32 minutes ago, T master said:

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Would this in any way resemble the highly liberal DA in Highly liberal NYC - Bragg retrying a case that was from 20 yrs ago which probably difficult to establish evidence of proof beyond a shadow of a doubt but because there was something out there they followed through with it anyway ? Just asking .

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Or am i way off base ?Β 

Yes! It would. I have said here that I think the Bragg prosecution is ill advised. But hey, turnabout is fair play.Β 
EDIT: I know it can be difficult to keep the players here straight. Lord knows I mix up my Big Blitzes and B Men. But I am in favor of investigates Hunter and following where the leads take us.Β 

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13 hours ago, B-Man said:


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It's just as shady to use this as "breaking news" and then put out a pure speculation piece.

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Hunter Biden is shady as can be, and more than likely deserves prison time for any of a number of reasons, but to put out "Breaking News" and then literally start the the discussion with "They probably" is straight up dishonest reporting.Β  The dude has zero evidence of anything other than he dislikes Biden.

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9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

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Hunter Biden plea deal Collapses: 'Sweetheart deal' on tax and gun charges between prosecutors
and president's son falls apart in a stunning twist after judge asked questions about the agreement

by Geoff Earle

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12339857/Hunter-Biden-arrives-court-plead-guilty-two-tax-misdemeanors-sweetheart-deal.html

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How dare that judge ask any questions! Shouldn’t KJP have jumped up like a Jack in the Box and told the judge she was being disrespectful! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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Hmmm, other than Frank, not too many comments about Hunter's deal here.

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The fix was in for Hunter Biden β€” until a hero judge stepped up.

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FTA:

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The point of plea agreements, by which the vast majority of criminal cases are settled, is to spell out in exacting detail the complete understanding of the parties.

It’s a contract.

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If something goes wrong down the road, if one of the parties breaches the terms, the clarity of the agreement puts everyone on notice of the consequences.

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Here, though, because the defendant and the prosecution were not adversaries as in normal criminal cases, they could not spell out their one-sided agreement.

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Doing so would have been too politically damaging β€” and this was all about politics.

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Both Hunter Biden and the Biden Justice Department wanted an arrangement that would giveΒ Hunter the maximum amount of immunity from prosecutionΒ for the minimum amount of criminal admissions they thought they could get away with.

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But there would have been scandal if prosecutors had written an agreement that said: Hunter pleads guilty to two trivial misdemeanor counts for years 2018 and 2019 with the expectation of no jail time, and the government further makes a firearms felony disappear; in exchange, the Justice Department will not prosecute him for any other tax crimes, money laundering, felony failure to register as a foreign agent, bribery conspiracy, or any other criminal offenses arising out of his business dealings from 2014 to 2019.

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So instead, with a nod and a wink, the Justice Department wrote a plea agreement saying merely that Hunter would plead guilty to two misdemeanor charges in satisfaction of the conduct covering all tax years from 2014 through 2019.

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This would allow Hunter to walk away saying the case was over and claiming immunity for not only tax crimes but for any criminal offense arising out of his years of lucrative business dealings.

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For its part, the Justice Department would say, β€œThe agreement settling the tax offenses speaks for itself. Beyond that, we, of course, cannot comment because that could compromise an ongoing investigation.”

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https://nypost.com/2023/07/26/the-fix-was-in-for-hunter-biden-until-a-hero-judge-stepped-up/

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How much of a dope would you have to be to not recognize that there is a Biden Crime Family.

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Oh, is THAT all ?

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That's nothing.

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