Doc Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 22 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Trump was impeached because he was investigating how much cash the Biden's sucked out of Ukraine. What some described as trying to dig up "dirt" on his opponent. A type of election interference. What it meant was you can't ask questions about corrupt politicians that are protected by the system. But I understand the threshold of proof here on PPP is dependent on the subject of the investigation. We've got lots of slow-witted posters here convinced Trump sold nuclear secrets to our enemies with absolutely not a single shred of what might constitute the minimum level of suspicion. They are most gullible and buy over and over again the proverbial Brooklyn Bridge proverb. With the Biden's we've got official FBI documents detailing specific activities, most of which are illegal. Wire transfer records, avoidance of taxes, and unaccounted for sources of income. We have a House committee investigating the Biden's which is expected to produce about 10 criminal referrals of Hunter Biden, for starters. But no "proof". I find the entire debate mentally draining and senseless because unless Joe Biden walked up to their door, rang the doorbell, and announced he was guilty many of his defenders here won't be compelled to use any common sense or objective thinking and acknowledge there's more to the story than smoke. Joke could kill a man on 5th Avenue and Dems... 22 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Even here you give them too much credit. Not a single one would be prepared to even begin scrutinizing Biden under your scenario. This is what happens when you've been completely demoralized and live under a perpetual green sky. Again, they need to believe that he's as pure as the driven snow, because Trump was so horrible. It's fascinating to see. 21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m going to assume that many on here have adult aged children. If so let me ask you this: Your son or daughter tells you they just got a job working for a Ukrainian Energy Company after having jumped on your plane to visit that far away, meaningless country; would your response have been to NEVER ask him/her “say what?…you got a job?…doing what exactly?”. Give me a break! But Joke doesn't ever lie.
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Yes, during a presidential race, it’s called weaponization the same thing that the Republicans are complaining about now the differences is a Donald Trump was directly involved whenever he was trying to dig up dirt on Joe Biden, which he never found So it’s your ridiculous position that during the Presidential race the sitting president has to stop being the president. He can’t do or ask anything that would relate to a potential rival even if he knows or believes a crime has been committed? I’m sure there’s something about that in the constitution. And if he’s not supposed to ask about it personally then the right thing to do is have your FBI spy on the opposition’s campaign. No, wait!
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So it’s your ridiculous position that during the Presidential race the sitting president has to stop being the president. He can’t do or ask anything that would relate to a potential rival even if he knows or believes a crime has been committed? I’m sure there’s something about that in the constitution. And if he’s not supposed to ask about it personally then the right thing to do is have your FBI spy on the opposition’s campaign. No, wait! That’s an interesting explanation of the history There was no evidence, then there is no evidence now of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden There is, however, a little bit of a problem with a phone call where Donald Trump tried to use military aid to try to coheres Ukraine and trying to find dirt on Joe Biden, which never existed All these things you like to believe they sound really nice if only for the fact that there is no proof, there is, however, an audio of a phone call that can’t be denied 1
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: That’s an interesting explanation of the history There was no evidence, then there is no evidence now of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden There is, however, a little bit of a problem with a phone call where Donald Trump tried to use military aid to try to coheres Ukraine and trying to find dirt on Joe Biden, which never existed All these things you like to believe they sound really nice if only for the fact that there is no proof, there is, however, an audio of a phone call that can’t be denied John…give it a rest. This has gotten to be utterly ridiculous. The entire country has seen the video of Joe bragging about getting a prosecutor fired. President Trump was more than correct to ask the incoming Ukrainian president to look into what the heck that was all about. 1
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: John…give it a rest. This has gotten to be utterly ridiculous. The entire country has seen the video of Joe bragging about getting a prosecutor fired. President Trump was more than correct to ask the incoming Ukrainian president to look into what the heck that was all about. Joe Biden was working with a coalition of countries. This was an America Acting on itself whenever it came to the Ukrainian prosecutor. And no whenever you’re in the middle of a political race and you’re trying to get a country to dig up dirt that doesn’t exist that’s not OK
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Joe Biden was working with a coalition of countries. This was an America Acting on itself whenever it came to the Ukrainian prosecutor. And no whenever you’re in the middle of a political race and you’re trying to get a country to dig up dirt that doesn’t exist that’s not OK So how is he going to know if a crime was committed if he can’t even ask in a PRIVATE conversation? But no, wait, the private conversation was leaked to the PUBLIC by those opposing Trump. You don’t see the irony here? Really? 1 1
Westside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: So how is he going to know if a crime was committed if he can’t even ask in a PRIVATE conversation? But no, wait, the private conversation was leaked to the PUBLIC by those opposing Trump. You don’t see the irony here? Really? He works at a college, explains everything you need to know for his way of thinking.
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: So how is he going to know if a crime was committed if he can’t even ask in a PRIVATE conversation? But no, wait, the private conversation was leaked to the PUBLIC by those opposing Trump. You don’t see the irony here? Really? I can’t believe this is even a discussion you do know that we have a DOJ that was that had leaders that were appointed by trump. They could be doing these investigations into Joe Biden that would make it like he was a ***** freak trying to dig up dirt on his political opponent by doing it himself In what world is it OK for the president of United States in the middle of a presidential election to get onto a phone and ask for dirt on his opponent worse yet not just ask for dirt, but hold up military aid for it
Westside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I can’t believe this is even a discussion you do know that we have a DOJ that was that had leaders that were appointed by trump. They could be doing these investigations into Joe Biden that would make it like he was a ***** freak trying to dig up dirt on his political opponent by doing it himself In what world is it OK for the president of United States in the middle of a presidential election to get onto a phone and ask for dirt on his opponent worse yet not just ask for dirt, but hold up military aid for it In what world is it ok to attack political opponents using the DOJ and the FBI? 1
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Westside said: In what world is it ok to attack political opponents using the DOJ and the FBI? And of course, you can show proof that that is actually happened Just because somebody has committed crimes does it mean that you just let them go because they’re on the opposite side of the aisle The fact of the matter is Donald Trump had a DOJ and FBI while he was president also they are the instruments to do investigations the President of the United States should not personally be getting involved in these just like Joe Biden has stayed out of what’s going on with Donald Trump. You don’t hear Joe Biden talking about this unless he’s directly asked a question.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Westside said: In what world is it ok to attack political opponents using the DOJ and the FBI? I'm gonna go with "a world in which your political opponent is busy committing federal offenses."
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I can’t believe this is even a discussion you do know that we have a DOJ that was that had leaders that were appointed by trump. They could be doing these investigations into Joe Biden that would make it like he was a ***** freak trying to dig up dirt on his political opponent by doing it himself In what world is it OK for the president of United States in the middle of a presidential election to get onto a phone and ask for dirt on his opponent worse yet not just ask for dirt, but hold up military aid for it He did NOT ask for dirt! He asked the incoming President to make sure our country hadn’t been (nor was going to be) using US taxpayer funds for the personal benefit of our elected class. I honestly can’t believe we don’t ask that in EVERY conversation with EVERY country.
Westside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: And of course, you can show proof that that is actually happened Just because somebody has committed crimes does it mean that you just let them go because they’re on the opposite side of the aisle The fact of the matter is Donald Trump had a DOJ and FBI while he was president also they are the instruments to do investigations the President of the United States should not personally be getting involved in these just like Joe Biden has stayed out of what’s going on with Donald Trump. You don’t hear Joe Biden talking about this unless he’s directly asked a question. He can’t call the leader of another country and ask if there is any chance of corruption happening? Are you just making excuses for biden? I thought you were an independent? 1
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: He did NOT ask for dirt! He asked the incoming President to make sure our country hadn’t been (nor was going to be) using US taxpayer funds for the personal benefit of our elected class. I honestly can’t believe we don’t ask that in EVERY conversation with EVERY country. I want you to do me a favor though
Westside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I want you to do me a favor though Our DOJ and FBI are extremely partisan and corrupt. Why would Trump trust them to do the right thing?
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I want you to do me a favor though What did you want him to ask? How do you think presidents talk to each other? You are looking for something that doesn’t exist. 1
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Westside said: He can’t call the leader of another country and ask if there is any chance of corruption happening? Are you just making excuses for biden? I thought you were an independent? I am an independent my views on things go back-and-forth across the aisle though they do lean left just because I can’t stand Donald Trump. He was a horrible president. I will explain this again. There are tools did the United States uses to do these kinds of investigations they are not done directly by a president for the very reason that Donald Trump got impeached. Joe Biden is doing it the correct way he is leading the proper people do the proper investigations it’s not anybody’s fault that Donald Trump is a ***** idiot and a criminal I’ve already defending him on the handling of the pandemic, not Donald Trump’s fault I have already called January 6 a riot and not an insurrection However, there is no excuse for the documents case. I probably feel stronger about that one because I spent 10 years of my life in that field. Donald Trump is a crook it would be different if he was just a bad president. You can forgive somebody for being bad at their job. Donald Trump is not just bad at his job. He is a money hungry power-hungry very dangerous person that never should’ve been elected to that office. Damn, the Democrats for putting up a ***** candidate
Westside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: I am an independent my views on things go back-and-forth across the aisle though they do lean left just because I can’t stand Donald Trump. He was a horrible president. I will explain this again. There are tools did the United States uses to do these kinds of investigations they are not done directly by a president for the very reason that Donald Trump got impeached. Joe Biden is doing it the correct way he is leading the proper people do the proper investigations it’s not anybody’s fault that Donald Trump is a ***** idiot and a criminal I’ve already defending him on the handling of the pandemic, not Donald Trump’s fault I have already called January 6 a riot and not an insurrection However, there is no excuse for the documents case. I probably feel stronger about that one because I spent 10 years of my life in that field. Donald Trump is a crook it would be different if he was just a bad president. You can forgive somebody for being bad at their job. Donald Trump is not just bad at his job. He is a money hungry power-hungry very dangerous person that never should’ve been elected to that office. Damn, the Democrats for putting up a ***** candidate What about a senator stealing classified documents? Is that ok? Should anything happen with that? How does a senator obtain such classified documents without proper clearance?
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I am an independent my views on things go back-and-forth across the aisle though they do lean left just because I can’t stand Donald Trump. He was a horrible president. I will explain this again. There are tools did the United States uses to do these kinds of investigations they are not done directly by a president for the very reason that Donald Trump got impeached. Joe Biden is doing it the correct way he is leading the proper people do the proper investigations it’s not anybody’s fault that Donald Trump is a ***** idiot and a criminal I’ve already defending him on the handling of the pandemic, not Donald Trump’s fault I have already called January 6 a riot and not an insurrection However, there is no excuse for the documents case. I probably feel stronger about that one because I spent 10 years of my life in that field. Donald Trump is a crook it would be different if he was just a bad president. You can forgive somebody for being bad at their job. Donald Trump is not just bad at his job. He is a money hungry power-hungry very dangerous person that never should’ve been elected to that office. Damn, the Democrats for putting up a ***** candidate What if the ‘tools’ are just that…tools!
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, Westside said: What about a senator stealing classified documents? Is that ok? Should anything happen with that? How does a senator obtain such classified documents without proper clearance? No, it’s not OK. I have already said that classified documents should only be handled in secure locations. Yes, he gave them back as soon as they were identified which is by the way the reason why Donald Trump is being indicted he didn’t give them back but that still doesn’t make it OK I would not be surprised if later on down the road whenever Joe Biden is no longer president. The handling of those documents doesn’t come back up. 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: What if the ‘tools’ are just that…tools! Are we having a serious conversation or is this joke time?
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