ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I used "collusion" the way most Americans not threading a nickledick needle tend to use it. If you see my choice of language as a misrepresentation, it's not material to the matter at hand and not of particular concern to me. What I can tell you is this...the facts and outcome are clear. From AG Barr's summary of the Mueller report: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html ...the Special Counsel noted that, in completing his investigation, he employed 19 lawyers who were assisted by a team of approximately 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants, and other professional staff. The Special Counsel issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search warrants, obtained more than 230 orders for communication records, issued almost 50 orders authorizing use of pen registers, made 13 requests to foreign governments for evidence, and interviewed approximately 500 witnesses. Summary: Lots of people with lots of juice knocked on doors, shook down perps, tried to flip witnesses, shook the trees and really, really tried to find evidence of collusion oops criminal conspiracy. Later on, AG Barr had this to say: The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” Summary: The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russians. It seems to me that disregarding the entirety of the report, the exceptionally thorough and extremely broad scope of the investigation, the follow up by Barr and his team, and referring to some Illuminati-esque 'bad actors' reflects poorly on those who choose to follow that path. It also indicates to me that while you are no doubt intellectually up to the task of reviewing the Mueller report in its entirety, perhaps emotionally you stopped somewhere after page 10. Interesting that you'd rather ignore the text of the report and use someone else's politically motivated take on it. You could just use the actual report findings but they don't match the facts you wish were true, so you just ignore them in favor of spin. You do remember that Barr so mischaracterized the Mueller report that Mueller wrote to him to complain the day after Barr released his memo? Why ignore the report in favor of spin?
Doc Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Having conversations with Russians isn't the same as colluding (or coordinating) with them. If you want to play the "prove that Joke and idiot boy didn't take bribes," do the same here or STFU about Russian collusion once and for all. 2
SoCal Deek Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Agreed. Neither the Steele Dossier nor the contents of Hunter's laptop should be taken as true. What? 1
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Agreed. Neither the Steele Dossier nor the contents of Hunter's laptop should be taken as true. The shark has officially been jumped. Fabulous work. 3
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, JDHillFan said: The shark has officially been jumped. Fabulous work. Just agreeing with @B-Man that both of the stories contain problematic information that shouldn't be taken as true.
SoCal Deek Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: The shark has officially been jumped. Fabulous work. And the torch has been passed. Goose is the new King. (Sorry BillStime). Long love the king. Now if we can get some memes worked in we’ll have come full circle. 1 1 2
Doc Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: And the torch has been passed. Goose is the new King. (Sorry BillStime). Long love the king. Now if we can get some memes worked in we’ll have come full circle. Don't you mean "God save the Queen"? 2
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: And the torch has been passed. Goose is the new King. (Sorry BillStime). Long love the king. Now if we can get some memes worked in we’ll have come full circle. I've long contended @ChiGoose is worse than @BillStime. At least @BillStime doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is. 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Don't you mean "God save the Queen"? I make no assumptions about the new monarch but his/her status is beyond question. Unbelievable.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Just agreeing with @B-Man that both of the stories contain problematic information that shouldn't be taken as true. Wouldn’t one have to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist at this point to discount the contents of the crackhead computer? Let me guess…Giuliani the Genius planted it. I thought you were the board’s herald of logic and common sense. Good heavens man! In all seriousness, thank you for an absolute classic take. It’s really something.
Big Blitz Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Doc said: Having conversations with Russians isn't the same as colluding (or coordinating) with them. If you want to play the "prove that Joke and idiot boy didn't take bribes," do the same here or STFU about Russian collusion once and for all. Spot on. They redefined normal discussions with any foreign country during the transition that happens all the time and even when you’re not running (you think Newsome isn’t talking to the EU, Canada, Mexico right now) into “collusion” or conspiracy lol. Everything you’ve seen since 2016 is a sham set up by Holder and Obama. That doesn’t get the scrutiny that a FISA warrant obtained against a U.S. citizen running for President - who to them needed to be taken down from day 1 Using the coercion of Silicon Valley and the Deep State. Then we’re going to LOCKDOWN EARTH because nothing is working. Then we’re going to rig 2020 by changing all the election laws - and allow the “correct” protests and censor and silence all opposition. And they wonder how in the world could Trump voters or anyone for that matter be furious. 1 1
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Wouldn’t one have to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist at this point to discount the contents of the crackhead computer? Let me guess…Giuliani the Genius planted it. I thought you were the board’s herald of logic and common sense. Good heavens man! In all seriousness, thank you for an absolute classic take. It’s really something. The chain of custody on the laptop is questionable. It's Hunter's but only some of the contents can been verified to have been his. Forensics have shown that people other than Hunter repeatedly accessed the laptop and even wrote files to it after it was handed to the laptop repair guy. Hunter's a real piece of work, but you cannot claim that everything on that laptop is his. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Interesting that you'd rather ignore the text of the report and use someone else's politically motivated take on it. You could just use the actual report findings but they don't match the facts you wish were true, so you just ignore them in favor of spin. You do remember that Barr so mischaracterized the Mueller report that Mueller wrote to him to complain the day after Barr released his memo? Why ignore the report in favor of spin? Thank you for abandoning the whole “collusion is misrepresentation” silliness, sadly you followed up with the “spin” narrative. Isn’t this beneath us? I am aware that Mueller wrote a strongly worded letter to AG Barr’s parents after the sad saga concluded. I am also aware that he had unlimited power for nearly 2 years, wielded it aggressively, coordinated with media outlets to leverage the strength of investigation, the full support of tens of millions of democrat loyalists thirsty for blood, completed a 400 page report and had the opportunity to provide sworn testimony before Congress and the American people about all the evidence his team uncovered proving Trump criminally conspired with Russia. There’s definitely some spin doctoring afoot here, you just seem completely incapable of identifying the source.
SoCal Deek Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: The chain of custody on the laptop is questionable. It's Hunter's but only some of the contents can been verified to have been his. Forensics have shown that people other than Hunter repeatedly accessed the laptop and even wrote files to it after it was handed to the laptop repair guy. Hunter's a real piece of work, but you cannot claim that everything on that laptop is his. Long live the King!
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: The chain of custody on the laptop is questionable. It's Hunter's but only some of the contents can been verified to have been his. Forensics have shown that people other than Hunter repeatedly accessed the laptop and even wrote files to it after it was handed to the laptop repair guy. Hunter's a real piece of work, but you cannot claim that everything on that laptop is his. That's interesting but I haven't seen a source of information that provides any read out of an in-depth FBI analysis of the files and data on the machine. Can you please point out the FBI link or source?
ChiGoose Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: That's interesting but I haven't seen a source of information that provides any read out of an in-depth FBI analysis of the files and data on the machine. Can you please point out the FBI link or source? The FBI hasn't released a report on their investigation as far as I'm aware. I was referencing the report of two forensic analysts who examined a copy of the laptop provided by a GOP operative. "The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post. Neither found clear evidence of tampering in their examinations, but some of the records that might have helped verify contents were not available for analysis, they said. The Post was able in some instances to find documents from other sources that matched content on the laptop that the experts were not able to assess. Among the reasons for the inconclusive findings was sloppy handling of the data, which damaged some records. The experts found the data had been repeatedly accessed and copied by people other than Hunter Biden over nearly three years. The MacBook itself is now in the hands of the FBI, which is investigating whether Hunter Biden properly reported income from business dealings." Adding to the chain of custody issues, there seems to be a copy of the laptop hard drive that's was edited after the original laptop was taken by the FBI: "...months after the laptop itself had been taken into FBI custody — three new folders were created on the drive. Dated Sept. 1 and 2, 2020, they bore the names “Desktop Documents,” “Biden Burisma” and “Hunter. Burisma Documents.” It could be that Hunter was part of some big criminal conspiracy that maybe involved his dad. Or he could be a crackhead trading on the family name. But not everything reportedly on the laptop is verified as true and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. 1 1
Doc Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 "Neither found clear evidence of tampering." IOW, there was none but they had to add the "clear" to keep up the appearance that there might have been.
B-Man Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 Understand the Biden Plea Deal for What It Is: Evidence by John Green After 5 years of investigation, and a damning amount of publicly available evidence, Hunter Biden got a sweetheart plea deal from the Department of Justice. But the outrage shouldn’t be about a crackhead deadbeat escaping justice. Hunter Biden is of no consequence to our society. But what it indicates is very significant. Our criminal justice system is broken. (snip) His only significance is that he is also a metaphorical fingerprint – a piece of evidence exposing serious wrongdoing. All of this is evidence that our federal criminal justice system has been corrupted for political purposes. A clock that is only correct twice a day is not a timepiece, and a law enforcement system that only prosecutes enemies of the left is not a justice system. It has become an enemy of the republic. Evidence matters, and it is making a difference. Politicians, pundits, and citizens are talking about the need to defund, reorganize, or radically overhaul the DOJ and FBI. Such discussions would have been considered “crazy talk” just three years ago. Now they are serious debates. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/06/understand_the_biden_plea_deal_for_what_it_is_evidence.html
BillStime Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 Did they find the Biden tapes? Oh no? Cause if the tapes existed - they would already be out there. Just like this: 1
BillsFanNC Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 Remember it's very important that we don't believe THIS whistleblower... But we really should believe all the others...unless of course they have information that reflects poorly on the left...then we shouldn't believe them either. 1
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