hondo in seattle Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Well, yes maybe. I can argue that a good OL is a better way to have a good run game. I agree actually. Let me show my age... Back in 1971, I watched Willie Ellison run 26 times for 247 yards, breaking Cookie Gilchrist's single game record. OJ, of course, would later break Ellison's record. Don't remember Willie Ellison? Most fans don't. Willie wasn't a great back. But he ran through the biggest holes I've ever seen in an NFL game. I'd love to have a Cookie or OJ clone on this team. But even more so, I'd love an offensive line that could dominate defenders the way those Rams linemen did for Willie that sunny Southern California day. Edited March 24, 2022 by hondo in seattle
Big Turk Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: NFL teams still run about 44% of the time (the Bills around 41%). Don't you want those plays to be successful? A good/great RB will help move the chains and make it harder for defenses to scheme solely for Josh and his wideouts. Though I agree it's not our biggest need. I'd go CB or OL. Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average.
hondo in seattle Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average. Sure he does ~ against teams playing some flavor of pass defense. Thurman only average 4.2 in his career. Stats tell us Motor is better than Thomas. Stats lie. Thurman, Cookie, OJ. ~ they'd all be averaging over 7 YPC against the kind of defenses Singletary has faced. Imagine what we could do if we could resurrect or rejuvenate our past RB stars. How would opponents defend us? Load the box to stop the run and we'll throw on you. Sit back in a shell, and we'll run all over you. I appreciate Motor for who he is and what he does. But we'd be downright scary if we had a Tier 1 back. 1 1
OldTimer1960 Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I agree actually. Let me show my age... Back in 1971, I watched Willie Ellison run 26 times for 247 yards, breaking Cookie Gilchrist's single game record. OJ, of course, would later break Ellison's record. Don't remember Willie Ellison? Most fans don't. Willie wasn't a great back. But he ran through the biggest holes I've ever seen in an NFL game. I'd love to have a Cookie or OJ clone on this team. But even more so, I'd love an offensive line that could dominate defenders the way those Rams linemen did for Willie that sunny Southern California day. I also remember OJ not having success in his rookie year behind a poor OL. 1
Magnum Force Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: I appreciate Motor for who he is and what he does. But we'd be downright scary if we had a Tier 1 back. So True 1
Magox Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 His highlights are uhhhh Insane. Super smooth, instinctive and explosive. Would definitely be an impact player and upgrade. 1 1 1
What a Tuel Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Magox said: His highlights are uhhhh Insane. Super smooth, instinctive and explosive. Would definitely be an impact player and upgrade. I will have to watch the rest, but the 1st several highlights give me the impression he just barely gets in the endzone on short runs. The first long run he gets tackled from behind. I have visions of 2 yard gains on 3rd and goal dancing in my head but after dinner I will check out the rest.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average. He puts NO FEAR in any defensive coordinators heart 2
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: He puts NO FEAR in any defensive coordinators heart Don't need him to, just gain some yards. That's Allen and Diggs job. Edited March 25, 2022 by Big Turk
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 @Big Turk, Singletary is not giving you this!! Need to have answer for two high safeties 1
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: @Big Turk, Singletary is not giving you this!! Need to have answer for two high safeties The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties. Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties. Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on. Exactly!! I think McDermott is trying to incorporate that dimension into the offense hence the headbutting with Daboll 1
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2022 Author Posted March 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties. Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on. He is the best underneath RB in the draft. Josh can check down teams to death with Breece. 1
NewEra Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Thanks for the links. Considering we're a pass-first team, this from BR is concerning: "...His route tree is limited to checkdowns and screens, which does limit some of his versatility... Hall will need to keep developing his pass protection to stay on the field on passing downs... His effort and technique can be inconsistent, and he can be prone to cutting blitzers, which is disappointing given his size..." 6’1 220 4.39 this thread has taught me that nothing else matters. 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Did you watch our offense shred in the playoffs? And we were wrecking single safety at the end of the year….using Singletary.
billsbackto81 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, NewEra said: 6’1 220 4.39 this thread has taught me that nothing else matters. Did you watch our offense shred in the playoffs? And we were wrecking single safety at the end of the year….using Singletary. Nice enough player but he sure doesn't look like a 4.39 runner.
Locomark Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) Unless we luck into the Giants CB, drafting a RB in round 1 or 2 is silly. Hall will be gone before our Round 3 pick and we need CB,G,OT, WR as a priority. Hell we don’t even have a swing tackle these days that isn’t a late round pick. Thats dangerous. Edited March 25, 2022 by Locomark
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 12:55 AM, Big Turk said: Just say no to RB man...it's not a value position. WR or CB I think what you mean is you can get value later in the draft. There’s always a middle- late round pick that produces. I will say this though, if you hit on a low 1st-2nd round RB you do get great value. He’s got to be special though. 3 down RB that is a workhouse and playmaker.
Big Turk Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think what you mean is you can get value later in the draft. There’s always a middle- late round pick that produces. I will say this though, if you hit on a low 1st-2nd round RB you do get great value. He’s got to be special though. 3 down RB that is a workhouse and playmaker. Ask KC if they think CEH was worth the first round pick. Dude is mostly a JAG 4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: He is the best underneath RB in the draft. Josh can check down teams to death with Breece. He could do that with Duke Johnson too, one of the best receiving backs in the NFL who averages 9.3 YPC for his career.
BillsShredder83 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 11:33 AM, Magnum Force said: Just like I felt Allen had a chance to be special pre draft when many pointed to his completion % as a red flag … I feel the same way about Breece Hall in this offense. Yes we do need a CB… it’s a given.. yes we need OLine depth and a potential long term starter… WR is not a need but a luxury pick early for this year. The likelihood Breece Hall will be there at pick 57 are slim… there is a better chance that one of Elam, Gordon, McCreary, Woolen, Bryant or Taylor-Britt will be. I csn certainly understand the argument for hall, even if its not what I'd do. Nowwwwww if we do take him ill be excited, because I really trust this FO. I strongly disagree on WR. With a pass first offense I feel like we need to take one in the 1st or 2nd atleast every other year. Become the WR factory the Steelers have been. Our wr s are gunna put up huge #s with Josh and be off to take large 2nd contracts elsewhere. 10 days ago I could've seen no scenario Diggs doesn't retire here. Now I'm doubtful past this season. Allen can use another weapon, and I'd like our insurance policy on the team before we cross the Diggs bridge. That way we aren't penciling in a rookie as our WR#2 next season. Anddddd if our offense has another year like that, Chad Hall will be a hot name for OC. Man whole lotta first world problems there
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