Breece Hall Please!!

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

More of a reason to pick up a RB in the first and have the ability to add the 5th year option. Hell, even the franchise tag in a RB is just over $9m which is the 2nd cheapest tag per position in the league behind K/P. Which makes the desire for an early RB make more sense. Especially since you generally get RBs in their prime early in their careers and the drop off in production is steep after about 5 years (based on history). 

 

Quarterback$29.703 million

Running back$9.570 million

Wide receiver$18.419 million

Tight end$10.931 million

Offensive linemen$16.662 million

Defensive end$17.859 million

Defensive tackle$17.396 million

Linebacker$18.702 million

Cornerback$17.287 million

Safety$12.911 million

Kicker/punter$5.220 million

STOP!! You’re making too much sense. The VALUE is not there🤐

[MrEpsYtown]

27 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

 

I love how the drivers turns on their wipers...like really? What's that gonna do? 

[JoPoy88]

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Christ....now you are talking about what his yards per carry will be like it is fact

he’s got it down to the tenth of a yard! 

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

more ifs and buts. Well those two can’t stay healthy so I don’t include them with Henry and Taylor. 
 

2001? you realize the game, its players and coaches have evolved over 20 years right? Even if stodgy old takes like yours don’t.

I completely understand that the game has evolved. But that is irrelevant to the fact that if there is a guy that can turn into a Tomlinson type talent, he should be drafted in the first round if that's the way we feel about him. I mean, I couldn't imagine a GM saying "man, that guy could be the next LT but the NFL has evolved more, let's skip him". It's irrelevant. He doesn't need 400 carries, but I'd still rather have a Tomlinson type talent get 15-20 touches a game than Singletary and Moss

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Imagine the offense with a speed burner receiver. The RB game would be just that much better. I want that ball in Allen's arms slinging the ball not handing it off or checking down.

He can't throw it every play though and when he does hand it off, I want someone that can break a 60 yard TD run. Not Singletary or Moss

Edited April 27, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Every Buffalo media guy seems to be portraying it the other way.  
 

Sal was again talking about it.  Beane had limited 1st round players somewhere in the 18-20 range and he expected at least 1 or 2 to be available at 25.

 

Then they asked about RB and Beane seemed to lump them in with the next group and on his show Sal said basically if all of the 1st round talent was gone - they would look at RB, but that position would require someone with exceptional talent to exceed the positional value.

 

So maybe he did not come right out and say they do not have a 1st round grade, but the way he spoke and the things the various media got from interviews seem to point very highly to them thinking he is not a first round talent (He might still get drafted in the first because of the limited talent levels in this draft).

 

We will see - as I have said - he could take him, but I think that would be about the last thing they want to do.  
 

I struggle to find many recent 1st round RBs that are elite and worth the pick.  You don’t think the Giants are kicking themselves for picking Barkley at this point.  He is way over paid for his production.  The sweet spot is 2nd and 3rd round for RB because the salary is acceptable and you can run them into the ground and move on.

 

Many of these 1st round guys end up getting a huge second contract to justify the pick (Zeke, CMC, even Barkley got his option) and they just are not worth it.

 

Give me Walker in the 2nd or Cook in the 3rd and a premium position in the 1st and I am happier than Hall in the first.

 

 

But we pick 25. If Beane is saying that he only has 18-20 first round grades, then technically any player we take past that is a 2nd round talent. So, why would Hall necessarily be a reach? He isn't technically a first round pick to them at that point. And you don't see a first round RB that's been worth it? You do realize that the non production of Barkley has been because of his injuries, right? Same with McCaffery. Are you seriously telling me they aren't elite players? I would take either one of them on this team right now. You lost the argument right there, I'm sorry. And yes, I have no issue with paying an elite RB a 2nd contract. Without the injuries, Barkley and McCaffery are definitely worth it

[Aurelius]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

But we pick 25. If Beane is saying that he only has 18-20 first round grades, then technically any player we take past that is a 2nd round talent. So, why would Hall necessarily be a reach? He isn't technically a first round pick to them at that point. And you don't see a first round RB that's been worth it? You do realize that the non production of Barkley has been because of his injuries, right? Same with McCaffery. Are you seriously telling me they aren't elite players? I would take either one of them on this team right now. You lost the argument right there, I'm sorry. And yes, I have no issue with paying an elite RB a 2nd contract. Without the injuries, Barkley and McCaffery are definitely worth it

Or he’s within those top 20 players that they believe are the bonafide first rounders.  We won’t know the grades until they draft tomorrow and what’s left on the board.   I agree. Late first round might not be a reach and can be equivalent of a second rounder depending on strength at the top of that years draft. 
 

I think we will probably stay out but things will change rapidly tomorrow.  Regardless of what happens, we should just all hope for a run on QB’s and defensive linemen early.

[Milanos Milano]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

But we pick 25. If Beane is saying that he only has 18-20 first round grades, then technically any player we take past that is a 2nd round talent. So, why would Hall necessarily be a reach? He isn't technically a first round pick to them at that point. And you don't see a first round RB that's been worth it? You do realize that the non production of Barkley has been because of his injuries, right? Same with McCaffery. Are you seriously telling me they aren't elite players? I would take either one of them on this team right now. You lost the argument right there, I'm sorry. And yes, I have no issue with paying an elite RB a 2nd contract. Without the injuries, Barkley and McCaffery are definitely worth it

 

5 minutes ago, Aurelius said:

Or he’s within those top 20 players that they believe are the bonafide first rounders.  We won’t know the grades until they draft tomorrow and what’s left on the board.   I agree. Late first round might not be a reach and can be equivalent of a second rounder depending on strength at the top of that years draft. 
 

I think we will probably stay out but things will change rapidly tomorrow.  Regardless of what happens, we should just all hope for a run on QB’s and defensive linemen early.

Either way, even if either one of you are correct, the logic remains that Breece Hall as a pick makes sense. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

I would hope for more than 3.9 ypc.

To be fair, Najee Harris had 1200 yards of rushing and another 467 yards of receiving compiling 10 TD's total (7 rushing, 3 receiving) .

 

Thats 1667 yards from scrimmage.

 

For a pick at the back end of the first round, thats pretty good.

 

I think if we drafted a RB at 25 that came close to those numbers, I think Bills fans would be ecstatic.

Edited April 27, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

I completely understand that the game has evolved. But that is irrelevant to the fact that if there is a guy that can turn into a Tomlinson type talent, he should be drafted in the first round if that's the way we feel about him. I mean, I couldn't imagine a GM saying "man, that guy could be the next LT but the NFL has evolved more, let's skip him". It's irrelevant. He doesn't need 400 carries, but I'd still rather have a Tomlinson type talent get 15-20 touches a game than Singletary and Moss

He can't throw it every play though and when he does hand it off, I want someone that can break a 60 yard TD run. Not Singletary or Moss

You sound like you think Hall is the next Adrian Peterson or OJ Simpson. There is a reason why Hall isn't even considered a 1st round pick. Sure he could be a nice pro runner but let's keep it in the right perspective. One scouting report states some concerns such as he runs high, not a one cut and go guy, limited zone scheme runner, and takes too long to get vertical. The guy is anything but a lock. The guy doesn't automatically equate to a home run hitter in the pros. I'd be happy trading down and getying him in the 40s because it's worth the risk. At 25, that's too rich when he almost certainly will be on the board at 35 plus. 

[muppy]

Breece Hall Im calling it today NFL draft day Eve................which will be a shock if Im right but it's a good guess. A bit of ground and pound with a generous side of Motor sounds great to me 🙂

 

GO BILLS!~!

Edited April 27, 2022 by muppy

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

Breece Hall Im calling it today NFL draft day Eve................which will be a shock if Im right but it's a good guess. A bit of ground and pound with a generous side of Motor sounds great to me 🙂

 

GO BILLS!~!

It’s as good of an educated guess as anything. While Singletary isn’t a bad RB, given how this is the last year of his contract, I wouldn’t be surprised if we are looking for a cheaper replacement and hopefully a more dangerous runner and receiver. I think Breece Hall is a talented RB, but just the past few days, it feels like the Bills will draft him. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Either way, even if either one of you are correct, the logic remains that Breece Hall as a pick makes sense. 

Lots of players make sense

[muppy]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s as good of an educated guess as anything. While Singletary isn’t a bad RB, given how this is the last year of his contract, I wouldn’t be surprised if we are looking for a cheaper replacement and hopefully a more dangerous runner and receiver. I think Breece Hall is a talented RB, but just the past few days, it feels like the Bills will draft him. 

u been pounding the table mate it won't be long now. You sold me basically lol......sounds legit honestly

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Lots of players make sense

This is true, there are a handful of players I could see the Bills drafting. This might be the first draft in a long time to where multiple players make sense for this team. While I’m hoping for Hall, I’m not going to be mad if its Booth, Zion, or some other good player. 

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

u been pounding the table mate it won't be long now. You sold me basically lol......sounds legit honestly

I personally like going with gut instinct. I haven’t had this IT factor at RB since Jonathan Taylor, and the vibes are nearly the same. I just want a decent running game that is feared nearly as much as teams fear Allen. Because that will make Allen that much more dangerous. I not only want to win NFL games, I want to take names and make people remember us for a long long time. I want defenses to be like this team is unstoppable, they are dictating the game no matter what we throw at them. 

[MWK]

15 minutes ago, muppy said:

Breece Hall Im calling it today NFL draft day Eve................which will be a shock if Im right but it's a good guess. A bit of ground and pound with a generous side of Motor sounds great to me 🙂

 

GO BILLS!~!

Just what we need, ground and pound instead of a modern NFL offense. Would really maximize our franchise QB. I’m ok with hall as long as we don’t run more. We need to run better not more

[njbuff]

The Bills are very good at being tight lipped.

 

Since the world thinks the Bills are in love with Hall, it means that Spiller is their target in the second round. 😁

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, MWK said:

Just what we need, ground and pound instead of a modern NFL offense. Would really maximize our franchise QB. I’m ok with hall as long as we don’t run more. We need to run better not more

Agreed. I don’t want to take away Allen’s fastball, but rather add another dimension to this team so defenses can’t key on one strength. I don’t think Muppy was implying that we should switch identities and start running a lot more. 

[SoCal Deek]

I'm hoping that the best thing that happened to the Bills running game this off-season will prove to have been bringing in new Line Coach. I really liked what I saw out of Singletary in the playoffs... in the passing game (which reminded me a lot of the old Thurman dump off days). I did not however see much if any improvement in the running game down the stretch. I'm therefore not convinced that if they improve in 2022 that it'll be because of Breece Hall.  I'm thinking it'll be because the O Line scheming finally learned how to open some holes.

[NewEra]

I hope the Bills draft Breece Hall

[Milanos Milano]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'm hoping that the best thing that happened to the Bills running game this off-season will prove to have been bringing in new Line Coach. I really liked what I saw out of Singletary in the playoffs... in the passing game (which reminded me a lot of the old Thurman dump off days). I did not however see much if any improvement in the running game down the stretch. I'm therefore not convinced that if they improve in 2022 that it'll be because of Breece Hall.  I'm thinking it'll be because the O Line scheming finally learned how to open some holes.

The problem is, teams know that Singletary and Moss have no speed and they are no threat to break one outside. That is a problem. Defenses need to be afraid of every inch of the football field. Defenses need to be afraid of what play is going to happen. If they see Singletary in the back field, defenses are going to guess that Singletary will not run a route, and chances are they will be more right than wrong. It’s a major weakness that good coordinators can key in on. Breece Hall makes the offense incredibly dangerous because his 4.39 speed getting to the outside, catching ability make it so defenses will never feel comfortable. They are to comfortable when Singletary and Moss are on the field. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by IronMaidenBills