NewEra Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well some people who were working OT making excuses about why the Bills couldn't afford an elite pass rusher gotta' say something now that it happened, right? 😉 Hahahaha. They’re the ones sayin that Miller won’t be any good in 6 years and the contract is way too long. amen brother! We got von! Beane stepped up to the plate. Thoughts on the Howard pickup? I’m stoked about that one too. Good start Just now, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. Stop while you still have an account 3 3 Quote
BillsVet Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Logic said: Thank you, I shall treasure it always! (You’re happy about this signing though, right? Or still mad at Beane for…reasons?) Yes I am. And the concept of signing another receiving TE. 2 Quote
newcam2012 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who pissed in your coffee? Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. 4 Quote
Tuco Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, muppy said: granted the cap is a complicated formula that very few can truly explain. One of those is a poster named @Tuco I hope he chimes in. Aww shucks. It's likely really a 2-3 year deal that will stick us with a good amount of dead cap in '25 or so. But everybody knows that. I would expect to see a modest but guaranteed first year salary, and of course a signing bonus prorated for 5 years. Year 2 will be more costly but still not as bad as it will initially seem. The reason it's 6 years is so they can include more fully guaranteed money at signing but spread it out a little further. Expect year 2 to have a nice large guaranteed option bonus that will show a large cap hit in 2023, but will be converted into signing bonus at the start of '23 and can then be prorated over years 2-6 of the deal. Year 2 will also likely include a trigger of some sort that will guarantee at least some of the '24 salary. As will year 3 and maybe even 4. Or possibly a sizeable roster bonus instead. Either one will force the Bills to make a decision early on an aging vet with a monster contract starting in 2024. 2 Quote
The Dean Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. Debbie doesn't "try". She just "is". 1 2 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said: its almost like inflation of nfl contracts have exploded in 6 years lol..... or inflation of even; gas eggs rent Quote
NewEra Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, newcam2012 said: Just being realistic in my eyes. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. “Your eyes” 5 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. with a knowledeable argument like that, i think everyone needs to take you seriously. We shouldve traded for feared interior DLineman Sam Darnold!!! WAKE UP BEANE!!!!!!!! 2 Quote
muppy Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tuco said: Aww shucks. It's likely really a 2-3 year deal that will stick us with a good amount of dead cap in '25 or so. But everybody knows that. I would expect to see a modest but guaranteed first year salary, and of course a signing bonus prorated for 5 years. Year 2 will be more costly but still not as bad as it will initially seem. The reason it's 6 years is so they can include more fully guaranteed money at signing but spread it out a little further. Expect year 2 to have a nice large guaranteed option bonus that will show a large cap hit in 2023, but will be converted into signing bonus at the start of '23 and can then be prorated over years 2-6 of the deal. Year 2 will also likely include a trigger of some sort that will guarantee at least some of the '24 salary. As will year 3 and maybe even 4. Or possibly a sizeable roster bonus instead. Either one will force the Bills to make a decision early on an aging vet with a monster contract starting in 2024. you're the man with the answers to cap questions mate, Own it 🙂 great to read you here. Quote
newcam2012 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, BillsShredder83 said: with a knowledeable argument like that, i think everyone needs to take you seriously. We shouldve traded for feared interior DLineman Sam Darnold!!! WAKE UP BEANE!!!!!!!! Nice jab. You get my point. 1 Quote
Bruffalo Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. This reads like you had a few too many beers. You keep talking about how Miller has slowed down/regressed except the numbers don't reflect that, in fact none of the metrics that you associate with DEs say anything like it. What they do say is that he's still a highly effective DE with excellent body control, a great pressure win rate, bend, and someone who needs to be accounted for on the field by offenses. He was much, much more efficient last season (a very down season, according to you) than anyone the Bills had. If you're going to make the claim, back it up with facts. Playing with Donald is not a negative, and it's ridiculous to somehow hold it against him (playing with Darnold is something entirely different). These are poor, low information takes that don't make much sense. You're railing against a contract you're willfully not understanding; you're calling a player bad when the reality he's better than anyone the Bills currently have rostered. It's just silly. 1 Quote
Special K Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, ganesh said: Do you see a trade of Epenesa to another team ? Just curious......why?? He’s on a rookie contract, and could improve with Miller mentoring him and the other young guys on the D-line. Quote
Logic Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Just heard on the Cover 1 show that Von Miller, in 19 games in 2021 (so that includes playoffs and Super Bowl, obviously)...had: 82 pressures (!) 13 sacks 10 hits 59 hurries (2nd in the NFL) 20.4 pass rush win percentage (8th in the NFL) And let's not forget that four of those sacks came in the playoffs (two in the Super Bowl). Any notion that Miller is not still a very dangerous pass rusher is incorrect. He's still a hell of a player. Also, the fact that we will have DaQuan Jones eating double teams, leaving Ed Oliver and Von Miller potentially in one-on-ones, is super exciting. Also also, as an added bonus, Miller is known to be one of the most generous teachers of younger players in the league. He runs his own pass rush summit every year, because he's eager to teach the tools of the trade to up and coming pass rushers. He's gonna do wonders for our trio of youngsters. Edited March 17, 2022 by Logic 9 2 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. Idk man watch his playoff highlights…he beats his blocker pretty much every single snap. I think he’s underrated if anything lol I don’t think even the excited people are excited enough. He also only got half a season with Aaron Donald where he was learning a new defensive scheme mid season..we’ll never know but he likely would’ve been well into the double digit sack totals with a full season on the rams. I think if you want to root against this signing your only hope is he gets injured…von miller is about as sure of a thing as it gets when healthy. Dude is in the backfield instantly…really cuts down on your opponents ability to run deep routes down the field when he’s not piling up the sacks. Edited March 17, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 3 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CSBill said: Reminds me of the day we signed Mario Williams. Kinda. Except we knew that was going down and were refreshing all day. This really came out of NO WHERE. Quite the surprise! GO BILLS! 3 1 Quote
Logic Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. Von Miller's 2021 (19 games, including playoffs): 82 pressures 13 sacks 10 hits 59 hurries (2nd in the NFL) 20.4 pass rush win percentage (8th in the NFL) Sorry to repeat myself, but Von Miller is ABSOLUTELY still a force. That's what "taking a closer look" reveals. 3 1 1 1 Quote
Tenhigh Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I get the excitement but let's take a closer look. Miller isn't the force he used to be. Last year, he wasn't an everyday player. Not sure of his official snap count. He got 9 sacks on a team that has Darnold who was double and triple teamed. After the dusk settles, perhaps some will see some validity to my criticism. Your poor wife. 1 7 1 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: This reads like you had a few too many beers. Prolly did. Let him sleep it off. 2 1 Quote
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