Chandler Jones signing with Raiders - 3 years, $52.5 mill

[Jerboski]

Moves need to be made you are in a super bowl window now, beane acts as if we can’t take a few swings… there is no guarantee allen stays healthy or diggs or anything else, act for now. Be reasonable but come on you can’t find the creativity other teams have found?

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Money can always be moved, this should not be an excuse.

Yes it can be moved and they are moving it as you can see. They still need to balance WHY they are moving it and understand there are other needs to consider. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

From that list...

 

Trade for Hunter is my top and only difference making option.

Shaq Lawson is the consolation prize.

 

No thanks to anyone else.

1 minute ago, Jerboski said:

Moves need to be made you are in a super bowl window now, beane acts as if we can’t take a few swings… there is no guarantee allen stays healthy or diggs or anything else, act for now. Be reasonable but come on you can’t find the creativity other teams have found?

 

There is no creativity in overspending and then begging your players to restructure.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes it can be moved and they are moving it as you can see. They still need to balance WHY they are moving it and understand there are other needs to consider. 

There is no bigger need than pass rush, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell me sorry.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

There is no bigger need than pass rush, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell me sorry.

I’m not selling anything?

[gonzo1105]

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

so who is the next best FA Edge rusher???  

Probably Melvin Ingram or Za’Darius Smith or Uchenna Nwosu. Nwosu hasn’t had big production but he’s the youngest. 
 

Im a huge fan of Smith since he was drafted and has been a stud for the Ravens and Packers. Problem is he had back surgery and who knows what you’ll get from him. On the positive side you might be able to get him on a 1 year semi conservative deal 

 

Ingram is a 1 year deal guy and he still can get after it but for some reason I don’t see the Bills pursuing there 

[Jerboski]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

From that list...

 

Trade for Hunter is my top and only difference making option.

Shaq Lawson is the consolation prize.

 

No thanks to anyone else.

 

There is no creativity in overspending and then begging your players to restructure.

There is no super bowl without some sort of move…. Again, allen played his best game to date and we still lost, we have no pass rush… chargers and others are only getting better 

 

it’s asinine to think standing pat is going to win us a super bowl, it won’t 

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

"I want to be happy & paid." 

 

Las Vegas, aka Sin City and $17M per year with no state income tax? There you have it. 

 

 

Exactly.  Biggest money, close to where he has been playing, and Vegas is a bigger, much more happening city than Buffalo for a rich young athlete.  By the way, the weather is also better.  This was never going to happen.  Pretty funny to watch the hysterics.

 

My guess is they resign Hughes and go with the youngsters.  

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So what is he worth, $15 million? Are we quibbling over $2 million to improve a major weakness on the roster? Every free agent gets overpaid when they switch teams. For impact players you do it anyways.

 

 

I suspect there are a lot of "feels" involved in Beane's salary limits.

 

Like the difference between $2M and $3M for a reserve isn't perceived as much..........nor is signing a $3M player to fill a reserve or ST spot that probably should be manned by a rookie...........so sign 5 of those deals for $1M-2M aav over............... and then balk when a difference maker demands $17M instead of $12M.

 

Maybe Beane will prove those of us wrong that think that his numbers haven't made a great deal of sense in UFA.

 

But other than 2018 when his UFA class was universally viewed as a lot of gross over pays..........he usually gets a lot of props from the "be careful in free agency" media crowd.........but the sensible, lower aav deals are also the one's that said media tend to be quicker to forget.  

 

Sometimes 3 or 4 of those strung together end up hitting as hard as a big one ............and there have been a lot of those. 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, somnus00 said:

Same happened with JJ Watt last year. He said he just wanted to win...then signed with Arizona.

And AZ was a playoff contender

[julian]

6 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Moves need to be made you are in a super bowl window now, beane acts as if we can’t take a few swings… there is no guarantee allen stays healthy or diggs or anything else, act for now. Be reasonable but come on you can’t find the creativity other teams have found?

If Allen doesn’t stay healthy it won’t matter if we signed Ray Lewis Lawrence Taylor and Revis in their prime

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

There is no super bowl without some sort of move…. Again, allen played his best game to date and we still lost, we have no pass rush… chargers and others are only getting better 

 

it’s asinine to think standing pat is going to win us a super bowl, it won’t 

 

Right, that's why I want to trade for Hunter. No one else on that list makes us any better than we were last year. They just replace Hughes/Addison at the same level.

[mjt328]

3 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Moves need to be made you are in a super bowl window now, beane acts as if we can’t take a few swings… there is no guarantee allen stays healthy or diggs or anything else, act for now. Be reasonable but come on you can’t find the creativity other teams have found?

 

Beane's plan is to keep our Super Bowl window open as long as possible.

By not going nuts in free agency, he can field a consistently competitive team for 10-15 years.

 

The Rams strategy is different.  They are fine with trading future picks for one-year rentals, and making big money splashes.

Their window will be gone in under 5 years (probably less than that).  Then they will pretty much need to rebuild.

 

Not everyone agrees with Beane's strategy.  But it's not going to change, so you might as well get used to it.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Jerboski said:

There is no super bowl without some sort of move…. Again, allen played his best game to date and we still lost, we have no pass rush… chargers and others are only getting better 

 

it’s asinine to think standing pat is going to win us a super bowl, it won’t 

We should also add they've invested a lot of cap and draft picks on edge and failed. I'm still upset about 2020. Addison and Murphy ate up $20 million in cap. We've just spent poorly. We've gone with average to below average players instead of 1 top level player.

 

Add in Vernon Butler and Jefferson in 2020 and it was $34 million in cap space to average or below average players on a team 1 game from the Super Bowl. 

[SCBills]

I get why we didn't sign him at this price point, but it's frustrating when A) The money is a hang up because of players like Tremaine Edmunds and B) Rams somehow the favorites to re-sign Von Miller, but we're priced out of Chandler Jones?

 

Like I said.. I get it.. But if we're grumbling about pass rush getting home again next year.... 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

37 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Nope. 

Yes we would

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SCBills said:

I get why we didn't sign him at this price point, but it's frustrating when A) The money is a hang up because of players like Tremaine Edmunds and B) Rams somehow the favorites to re-sign Von Miller, but we're priced out of Chandler Jones?

 

Like I said.. I get it.. But if we're grumbling about pass rush getting home again next year.... 

At that price? We're still going to spend the money elsewhere. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

56 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Do me a favor and take a look back at the history of "difference makers" signed in free agency who signed huge deals and lived up to them.   Smart teams know better than to do this.   These guys, again, are available for a reason.  

 

The Bills have signed three free agents outside of their franchise, signed 4 of their own free agents and reworked multiple deals.   What you, and others on this board really mean is "The Bills havent signed anyone that excites me yet so I am upset and am going to post sarcastic things about the team."

Hmmm

Let's try this exercise

 

Reggie White

Deion Sanders

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Drew Breese

Bryce Paup 

 

But you are correct Free agent signings never make a difference

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Yes we would

You might, but, unless “we” is your preferred personal pronoun, you don’t speak for everyone.

 

You are welcome to feel any way you want. I simply stated I don’t feel that way and my “guess” is people would be just as miserable with a poor to mediocre team regardless of a past championship win. If you would be fine with years of losing to have championship now, then good for you. I wouldn’t.

[Logic]