JD Mckissic to Bills 2 year, 7 million

[NoSaint]

I don’t think he’s a bad player, but surprised we are so far getting slower, generally 

 

will be the first to admit I overvalue speed… and not super stressed… but surprised we didn’t add any jets on either side yet.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I got excited when I misread that we signed J. McKinnon.

 

It was disappointing to find out we signed Mckissic instead 

[The Dean]

22 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Don't know much about him.  But a nine yard gain following a checkdown pass on third and 15, is not really impressive.  I am curious what the situation stats look like

 

Or maybe, you know, just watch game video of him actually playing.

[DrPJax]

9 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Interesting. I know nothing about him but stats are hardly inspiring.

 

And any signing like this makes signing of impactful DE less likely. 

 

I'll tell you what I think when FA ends

His RUNNING stats were paltry  , less than 10 carries a game and usually low yardage. So looks like a very limited third down type guy which is the same thing they have been doing which limits play action believability  really. Not all that impressed; wish they would just draft a complete back for once. This really could limit Moss in his role as well. . Add RB to the list of DL / edge specifically , to the positions Beane / Mcd have either drafted poorly or failed to develop adequately. Motor had that flash the last few games before really flaming out again when it counted against KC.  
 

Stafford tho is an amazing run / pass blocker.  Watched a breakdown of his game agaist the Bengals in 2020 and he was phenomenal!  He literally knocked over their rushing inside DT with one punch!  He made it to the second level all the time , drove guys OOB, and was never fooled by stunts as he picked up guys or passed them off flawlessly.  That left side should be money to run behind in crunch time,,,,,if they only had a consistently good back.  We all remember the last games and playoff when the o was unstoppable, but should not forget all the times the o went into several series of  stagnation and obviously failed in the one possession games they kept losing. I hope our new OC focuses a little more on the run game as a good change and to set up play action more effectively than Daboll, which was probably the source of the reported conflict between Mcd / dabs at times. The line should be good to run block now, we just need some talent and production from the backs. 
 

Losing Levi to the Steelers ( esp with that favorable contract ) just creates another hole that will force their hand in the draft unless they pick up cheap guys in FA which seems hard to believe they could do inexpensively at the same or better talent level.   I still wish they would breakdown and get a good back within the first three rounds ; look how the Steelers benefitted by taking a good back in the first round. This o could really be phenomenal with a talented back and having a great O line to protect Josh is negated if you keep running him so much because the backs were not dependable.  5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it’ should be time to try something a little different. 

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Nothing against Mckissic but his volume was merely a result of their bad offense. He caught a ton of passes at the line of scrimmage because of their lame quarterbacking. It's not like he was out running great routes. To his credit he did a good job with those opportunities.

 

 

 

And yet Terry McLaurin did just fine with that lame quarterbacking. You don't catch passes because of lame quarterbacking. You catch passes because the quarterback did his job. Very true the QBs there aren't great, but that doesn't make what the receivers there did less impressive. More impressive, if anything.

 

They brought him here because there will be plenty of the same kind of opportunities, when the rush gets there fast, when everyone's covered, when they're going on rhythm, etc. The question is whether he was productive, whether he made life easier for the QB. McKissic did, and he'll do the same thing an awful lot for Allen most likely.

 

This is a really nice little move.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

36 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

His RUNNING stats were paltry  , less than 10 carries a game and usually low yardage. So looks like a very limited third down type guy which is the same thing they have been doing which limits play action believability  really. Not all that impressed; wish they would just draft a complete back for once. This really could limit Moss in his role as well. . Add RB to the list of DL / edge specifically , to the positions Beane / Mcd have either drafted poorly or failed to develop adequately. Motor had that flash the last few games before really flaming out again when it counted against KC.  
 

Stafford tho is an amazing run / pass blocker.  Watched a breakdown of his game agaist the Bengals in 2020 and he was phenomenal!  He literally knocked over their rushing inside DT with one punch!  He made it to the second level all the time , drove guys OOB, and was never fooled by stunts as he picked up guys or passed them off flawlessly.  That left side should be money to run behind in crunch time,,,,,if they only had a consistently good back.  We all remember the last games and playoff when the o was unstoppable, but should not forget all the times the o went into several series of  stagnation and obviously failed in the one possession games they kept losing. I hope our new OC focuses a little more on the run game as a good change and to set up play action more effectively than Daboll, which was probably the source of the reported conflict between Mcd / dabs at times. The line should be good to run block now, we just need some talent and production from the backs. 
 

Losing Levi to the Steelers ( esp with that favorable contract ) just creates another hole that will force their hand in the draft unless they pick up cheap guys in FA which seems hard to believe they could do inexpensively at the same or better talent level.   I still wish they would breakdown and get a good back within the first three rounds ; look how the Steelers benefitted by taking a good back in the first round. This o could really be phenomenal with a talented back and having a great O line to protect Josh is negated if you keep running him so much because the backs were not dependable.  5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it’ should be time to try something a little different. 

 

 

In your world, 4.3 and 4.4 YPC the last two years is paltry? You live in kind of a weird world. When given a chance to run, he's been very productive.

 

And what makes him a "limited third down type guy"? The fact that he's a very successful third down guy? Who has been quite productive when asked to run and is an excellent pass blocker?

 

"5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it' should be time to try something a little different," you say? Good lord, that is a misguided take. The running game has had a lot of production in five years. Singletary's never had a year where he averaged less than 4.4 yards a carry.  And the offense has been top three the last two years. And you figuret that's time for a change? Yeah, well first, bringing in McKissic is a change, and as for larger changes, we have other far more urgent priorities.

 

Oh, and yeah, the Steelers really benefitted from drafting an RB early. They benefitted so much they vaulted down to become the 23rd best offense in the league!! Yeah, baby, our offense really has to learn to be more like that 23rd best Steelers group!!

 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Hsker4life]

Love this signing. 

 

Washington fans seem very upset to lose him. 

[junior]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In your world, 4.3 and 4.4 YPC the last two years is paltry? You live in kind of a weird world. When given a chance to run, he's been very productive.

 

And what makes him a "limited third down type guy"? The fact that he's a very successful third down guy? Who has been quite productive when asked to ru and is an excellent pass blocker?

 

"5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it' should be time to try something a little different," you say? Good lord, that is a misguided take. The running game has had a lot of production in five years. Singletary's never had a year where he averaged less than 4.4 yards a carry.  And the offense has been top three the last two years. And you figuret that's time for a change? Yeah, well first, bringing in McKissic is a change, and as for larger changes, we have other far more urgent priorities.

 

Oh, and yeah, the Steelers really benefitted from drafting an RB early. They benefitted so much they vaulted down to become the 23rd best offense in the league!! Yeah, baby, our offense really has to learn to be more like that 23rd best Steelers group!!

 

To be fair, they were 25th in 2020, so 

 

😂

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, junior said:

 

To be fair, they were 25th in 2020, so 

 

😂

 

 

You have a point. I should reconsider!!

[stuvian]

I like what I've seen of him but he's not the pile mover I was hoping for

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, ngbills said:

I am not as high on McKissic. Again not awful but Breida has the ability to be used this way and was not.

 

McKissic and Breida are pretty much nothing alike. For starters McKissic knows which side of the field he's supposed to be on.

[DrPJax]

49 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In your world, 4.3 and 4.4 YPC the last two years is paltry? You live in kind of a weird world. When given a chance to run, he's been very productive.

 

And what makes him a "limited third down type guy"? The fact that he's a very successful third down guy? Who has been quite productive when asked to run and is an excellent pass blocker?

 

"5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it' should be time to try something a little different," you say? Good lord, that is a misguided take. The running game has had a lot of production in five years. Singletary's never had a year where he averaged less than 4.4 yards a carry.  And the offense has been top three the last two years. And you figuret that's time for a change? Yeah, well first, bringing in McKissic is a change, and as for larger changes, we have other far more urgent priorities.

 

Oh, and yeah, the Steelers really benefitted from drafting an RB early. They benefitted so much they vaulted down to become the 23rd best offense in the league!! Yeah, baby, our offense really has to learn to be more like that 23rd best Steelers group!!

 

 

Look , a running game can only make up so much for a qb way past his prime,; you are usually smarter than that. Tell me you would have not liked to see Harris on the Bills , and he had 1200 yards rushing and 7 tds so compare that to our backs. Apples to apples buddy , not just throw out the whole offense with a failing Ben. So yes , any intelligent person would say their offense benefitted from him and would have been even more abysmal without him , and still managed to make the playoffs. If he can do that production against stacked lines and the d not fearing a Ben deep game any longer, imagine what he could do supporting and being supported with Josh and a great passing game. Look at the guys total yards was all I said exactly. Last year he always was used in a very limited fashion in the run game. I didn’t say he couldn’t be productive as a pass catcher , all I said was it would be nice to have a complete back and no one will argue he is a three down back.  Again , apples to apples and quit taking things out of context.  Yep a back with 1200 yards and 7 tds is a complete failure right ?  Laughable comments and can’t get past being such a fan boy that you want to think this guy is comparable to a back like Harris; dream on. 
 

( also see on this forum the Bills were interested in mccaffery  and Adam Caplan said the Panthers  were not interested in trades for him and our guy is “ a good passing down back ” .   He didn’t say he was a very good three down or complete back so I’m not the only person who can interpret yardage and stats. Try reading a little more in your world) 

Edited March 16, 2022 by DrPJax

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I got excited when I misread that we signed J. McKinnon.

 

It was disappointing to find out we signed Mckissic instead 

 

You should probably be more concerned that the letter S looks like the letter N to you.

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

In fairness Art Van Winkle is right that it is a lot of money for a 3rd down back. I say again we have to stop obsessing about having the deepest roster and start prioritising having the best team. 

 

When people say "how coud we have afforded Chandler Jones?" The answer is by not handing out the lower to mid tier deals to backups.

 

A 3rd down back was a huge need though. I was saying all last year a legit pass catching RB would be lethal in this offense with the way defenses were playing us. We ran the New England offense but without a James White-esque talent. We were moving the ball at will checking the ball down to Singletary at the end of the year and that's not even his skill set. McKissic is a huge addition and we know what we're getting from him.

 

I won't be disappointed that the Bills don't add Jones (or Hunter) until that actually happens. Beane isn't stupid enough to let an RB get in the way of a pass rusher. We have three DEs signed to the roster. A move is coming.

[newcam2012]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

The folks who think we lost the SB because we lost to the Chiefs are making wayyy too many assumptions. It's pretty disrespectful to a Bengals team that beat the Chiefs, who beat us, to think we would have walked all over them. It's even more disrespectful to a Rams team, who beat the Bengals, who beat the Chiefs, who beat us, to say the same.

We weren't  that close to winning the SB this year - at least not in any way that didn't require 2 ghost victories in addition to the Chiefs game.

Our loss to the Chiefs is undoubtedly because we had less difference makers. How could it not be? The game didn't need to come down to a single play. With better players on the defensive side of the ball we could have stopped them any number of times, but we didn't. We didn't have those players, so instead it came down to the smallest of margins. If we played that game 100 times, we definitely win some, but I don't think we're beating them over 50% of the time. They can simply do things we can't, as could the Bengals, as could the Rams.

Now, the Bengals holes were too great for them to overcome, but they still made it a 3 point game with a roster that wasn't anywhere near as complete.

Regarding "why don't the best teams win it every year", see my next post about the Pats dynasty.

Agree with the notion that the Bills would have won the Super Bowl comment. There are just too many unknown variables to say that. With that said, I would have liked the Bills chances at home vs Cinci. Allen was pretty much unstoppable and I see no reason to believe they would have stopped him in Orchard Park. Just my two cents. The Rams would have been a tough game to win. I kind of see the Bills edging them out. Point being it's just premature to say the Bills would have won the Super Bowl. However, they would have been clear favorites to beat Cinci and perhaps the Rams too. 

 

Of course the Bills need better players. Every team does; even teams that win a super bowl. All teams have holes. The single most important position is the QB. The Bills had the absolute best hands down QB in the playoffs. Better than Burrows, Mahomes, and Stafford. He was a one man wrecking crew that beat KC until the coaching staff blew it in 13 seconds. I would say that Allen was nothing short of Tom Brady like. We know how that story goes...So you can point the finger at lack of talent, playmakers, etc...There is merit to that rational. However, when you have Allen (aka Brady) you don't need much to get over the hump and hoist that Lombardi Trophy. Look how he made Davis (who I love) look like the best WR in history. Allen was on a mission and made everyone better. Oh what could have been...

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In your world, 4.3 and 4.4 YPC the last two years is paltry? You live in kind of a weird world. When given a chance to run, he's been very productive.

 

And what makes him a "limited third down type guy"? The fact that he's a very successful third down guy? Who has been quite productive when asked to run and is an excellent pass blocker?

 

"5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it' should be time to try something a little different," you say? Good lord, that is a misguided take. The running game has had a lot of production in five years. Singletary's never had a year where he averaged less than 4.4 yards a carry.  And the offense has been top three the last two years. And you figuret that's time for a change? Yeah, well first, bringing in McKissic is a change, and as for larger changes, we have other far more urgent priorities.

 

Oh, and yeah, the Steelers really benefitted from drafting an RB early. They benefitted so much they vaulted down to become the 23rd best offense in the league!! Yeah, baby, our offense really has to learn to be more like that 23rd best Steelers group!!

 

 

Steelers have a great runner. Their offense sucked because their Oline was weak and Ben's arm was shot. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

I like what I've seen of him but he's not the pile mover I was hoping for

He's a home run hitter something the Bills have lacked for years. The Bills haven't had a quality pass catching running back in forever if ever. To boot, he blocks well too. This is a nifty under the rug great signing. 

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Steelers have a great runner. Their offense sucked because their Oline was weak and Ben's arm was shot. 

 

 

 

Um, yeah, that's actually my point.

 

The guy I replied to made as if to say look at what great things happened when the Steelers drafted a runner. And nothing great happened to them. Their offense still sucked.

 

Agreed he's a very fine runner. But when you have a 1st round pick and a lot of holes, don't go for the RB in the 1st, even if he's really good. Same with the Chiefs. Edwards-Helaire is a good back, but he just didn't make a lot of difference there.

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Um, yeah, that's actually my point.

 

The guy I replied to made as if to say look at what great things happened when the Steelers drafted a runner. And nothing great happened to them. Their offense still sucked.

 

Agreed he's a very fine runner. But when you have a 1st round pick and a lot of holes, don't go for the RB in the 1st, even if he's really good. Same with the Chiefs. Edwards-Helaire is a good back, but he just didn't make a lot of difference there.

I agree except I'm not convinced Edwards-Helaire is a good back. He seems average to me especially on a loaded offensive team. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Um, yeah, that's actually my point.

 

The guy I replied to made as if to say look at what great things happened when the Steelers drafted a runner. And nothing great happened to them. Their offense still sucked.

 

Agreed he's a very fine runner. But when you have a 1st round pick and a lot of holes, don't go for the RB in the 1st, even if he's really good. Same with the Chiefs. Edwards-Helaire is a good back, but he just didn't make a lot of difference there.

 

Edwards-Helaire is a pretty average back actually. There was an elite back in that class and it whould have been obvious to anyone with eyes who that was. Thank heavens the Chiefs missed on him can you imagine JT in that offense? 

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, DrPJax said:

Look , a running game can only make up so much for a qb way past his prime,; you are usually smarter than that. Tell me you would have not liked to see Harris on the Bills , and he had 1200 yards rushing and 7 tds so compare that to our backs. Apples to apples buddy , not just throw out the whole offense with a failing Ben. So yes , any intelligent person would say their offense benefitted from him and would have been even more abysmal without him , and still managed to make the playoffs. If he can do that production against stacked lines and the d not fearing a Ben deep game any longer, imagine what he could do supporting and being supported with Josh and a great passing game. Look at the guys total yards was all I said exactly. Last year he always was used in a very limited fashion in the run game. I didn’t say he couldn’t be productive as a pass catcher , all I said was it would be nice to have a complete back and no one will argue he is a three down back.  Again , apples to apples and quit taking things out of context.  Yep a back with 1200 yards and 7 tds is a complete failure right ?  Laughable comments and can’t get past being such a fan boy that you want to think this guy is comparable to a back like Harris; dream on. 
 

( also see on this forum the Bills were interested in mccaffery  and Adam Caplan said the Panthers  were not interested in trades for him and our guy is “ a good passing down back ” .   He didn’t say he was a very good three down or complete back so I’m not the only person who can interpret yardage and stats. Try reading a little more in your world) 

 

 

 

Puh-leeze.

 

You said, "look how the Steelers benefitted by taking a good back in the first round." That's what YOU said, not me. And the Steelers "benefitted" by going from the 25th best offense to 23rd. They "benefitted" by going all the way from 12-4 in 2020 to 9-7-1 in 2021.

 

That is a microscopic benefit.

 

Which makes the point. Don't pick an RB in the first when you have a lot of holes and are in a passing league.

 

You also seem to have some idea somewhere that I said that somebody (McKissic? Singletary? Somebody else?) is better than the Steelers guy. If you could real quick point out where i said that, I know I'd be thrilled. I don't think I did say that or anything like it. I did try to point out that picking an RB in the first when you have Allen on your team, are going to pass much more than you run, and already have a solid back from the 3rd round in Singletary ... is bad strategy. As would bringing in an expensive FA RB. There are better places to spend the money, places that give you more benefit.

 

And as for what your whole last paragraph, means or refers to, I have zero clue. I promise to read a bit more if you promise to write something with a clear apparent meaning. What stats are you talking about? You're saying I'm not the only one who can interpret yardage and stats and then not interpreting a single one. Completely unclear, the whole paragraph.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by Thurman#1