BillsFanForever19 Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 A lot of you sound like fans thought bought into the "rumors" of players like Barkley and CMC and are butthurt it isn't them.
Turk71 Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Undrafted out of college, elusive but slow for his size (4.59 40). He was mostly used as a checkdown dumpoff at the line of scrimmage. This past season his average depth of target was .4 yards, basically at the line. He was good with the ball in his hands, averaging over 8 yds after the catch. A good steady role player, but definitely not a dangerous weapon.
Logic Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Undrafted out of college, elusive but slow for his size (4.59 40). He was mostly used as a checkdown dumpoff at the line of scrimmage. This past season his average depth of target was .4 yards, basically at the line. He was good with the ball in his hands, averaging over 8 yds after the catch. A good steady role player, but definitely not a dangerous weapon. I suppose it depends on how you define "dangerous weapon". By definition, I guess it's fair to say that 3rd down backs are rarely that. On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before, is the third leaving receptions and yardage leader from the running back position over the past three years, and averages over EIGHT YARDS after the catch certainly SEEMS like a bit of a weapon. A guy who can regularly turn a .4 yard catch into a 9 yard gain seems like a bit of a weapon. Just my opinion. Edited March 15, 2022 by Logic 3 2 1
Turk71 Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Logic said: I suppose it depends on how you define "dangerous weapon". By definition, I guess it's fair to say that 3rd down backs are rarely that. On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before, is the third leaving receptions and yardage leader from the running back position over the past three years, and averages over EIGHT YARDS after the catch certainly SEEMS like a bit of a weapon. A guy who can regularly turn a .4 yard catch into a 9 yard gain seems like a bit of a weapon. Just my opinion. Agree. A guy who avgd 8 yards after the catch is definitely a weapon. I could have phrased it better but I was referring to his less than dangerous speed. I'm glad they got him, Singletary's receiving was improved but a solid pass catching back is good to have. 1
SirAndrew Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 I like giving everything a chance to work out. If I’m being honest, I’d rather sign a big impact guy over spending money on guys like Saffold and McKissic. We’re impact guys away from winning the Super Bowl, not role players. Beane is all about team building, and it’s a necessity to build depth through free agency, but I’d go with a cheaper rookie with a similar skill set over someone like McKissic imo.
Turk71 Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Logic said: On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before Nothing against Mckissic but his volume was merely a result of their bad offense. He caught a ton of passes at the line of scrimmage because of their lame quarterbacking. It's not like he was out running great routes. To his credit he did a good job with those opportunities. 2
Logic Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Sounds like Washington wasn't given the chance to match the Bills' offer. Also sounds like McKissic is another McKenzie when it comes to being a mouthy instigator in the locker room. Maybe it's a Mc thing. https://theathletic.com/3186834/2022/03/15/commanders-keep-bobby-mccain-but-j-d-mckissic-follows-other-washington-free-agents-out-the-door/ “We would love to have J.D. back,” general manager Martin Mayhew told reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine. “They’re all sort of in the same group where they were really important to what we did last year.” Washington had not made a tangible contract offer to McKissic’s representatives at the point of the combine, even though teams are permitted to sign their players prior to the start of free agency. Interest from other clubs entering free agency’s legal tampering period made it apparent McKissic would have options. The Commanders allowed the running back to test the market. The Bills pounced with a deal that could reach $8 million. At the finish line, Washington believed it was not given the chance to match Buffalo’s offer, according to a source close to the situation. ...... “They want me here and I want to be here. It’s as simple as it sounds,” McKissic said shortly after Washington’s 7-10 season concluded. “We just got to get something done over the time period.” Perhaps McKissic’s neck injury weighed on Washington’s decision, or it decided to invest elsewhere. The Athletic has reported for weeks of the Commanders’ interest in adding a running back capable of handling early-down duties with Antonio Gibson. McKissic caught 123 passes and averaged 4.3 yards per carry in 27 games with Washington. He offered quickness with the ball, and he gave offensive coordinator Scott Turner a moveable chess piece and quarterback Taylor Heinicke a valuable safety valve last season before a neck injury sidelined McKissic for the final six games. The chatty McKissic was a locker-room favorite, a player Washington’s defenders always cited as a playful instigator during practices. Fans grew to appreciate McKissic’s value, especially during his 80-catch 2020 season. McKissic’s deal on the surface is more than double the contract he signed in 2020. That’s not a break-the-bank contract. Teams are at times conflicted with making a concrete offer at the start of free agency over the fear of the player’s agent of shopping those terms elsewhere. The counter is that a player and his representatives may view that ploy as hesitancy and seek safe harbor elsewhere. In this case, McKissic joined an AFC powerhouse
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 A funny accidental legend on these boards, McKissic definitely adds a dynamic to the offense and will play well with Singletary. I have been banging the table for this type of player I wanted McKinnon, but good with McKissic. He can really ball. He doesn’t have the speed of a Breida, but he is a much, much better football player. 1
schoolhouserock Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Return capability. That’s a lot of negative numbers. 6
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: A funny accidental legend on these boards, McKissic definitely adds a dynamic to the offense and will play well with Singletary. I have been banging the table for this type of player I wanted McKinnon, but good with McKissic. He can really ball. He doesn’t have the speed of a Breida, but he is a much, much better football player. I don’t get the McKinnon love from Bills fans. Why? McKissic has been more productive
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I don’t get the McKinnon love from Bills fans. Why? McKissic has been more productive I just like the speed numbers. I have always liked him. Good with McKissic as well.
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I just like the speed numbers. I have always liked him. Good with McKissic as well. Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it I gotcha. Yeah I think they are essentially the same player, McKinnon more speed, McKissic probably the better runner. But both good receivers. I suppose, since McKissic has been super productive with terrible QBs his stats are a bit inflated from all the check down stuff. That’ my assumption, but thankfully i have not seen many Lions or WTF games.
Thurman#1 Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, ArtVandalay said: This is a brutal signing. 29 year old RB with limited athleticism and size. Caught a bunch of soft dump passes from horrible QBs in a horrible offense. 0.5 average depth of target and 1 broken tackle last year. This is absolutely horrendous. We are wasting valuable cap space when we have little to spare. We have the least explosive and most under-sized backfield in the entire league. Gave JD McKissic $3.5 MM, a Top 20 paid RB. Dude got peanuts his whole career and we drop $7 MM on him when he turns 29, WTF are we even doing????? SEA 18 YSCRM (Yards from Scrimmage) SEA 453 YSCRM SEA 8 YSCRM DET 438 YSCRM WAS 954 YSCRM WAS 609 YSCRM (in 11 games) Of course he got more money in this contract. Seattle didn't use him. In his 4th year, Detroit used him a bit. Washington finally showed how to use him. He's really productive and seems likely to fit in beautifully here. Edited March 16, 2022 by Thurman#1
The Dean Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said: This is Brieda 2.0 meh 7 hours ago, TBBills said: So 3rd string RB... See above. 7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You have to wait for full contract details. People never learn. Plus he's not fantasy, he's a good 3rd down RB. One of the best. This. Exactly this? Why do some people need to have a hot take and comment without all the necessary information? 7 hours ago, TBBills said: I don't think people here know what good is they just see a new name and like it. I think many see a name they don't know much about, so hate it. 7 hours ago, Arkady Renko said: There go my steamy Cordarelle Patterson fantasies. He was my #1 choice for the offense this year. JD is a pretty good consolation. Edited March 16, 2022 by The Dean
purple haze Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 8 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Interesting. I know nothing about him but stats are hardly inspiring. And any signing like this makes signing of impactful DE less likely. I'll tell you what I think when FA ends We shall see. Although it stands to reason if Beane doesn’t sign a DE he might not view what was available as impactful as some fans do.
GolfandBills Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it It’s because he had a decent game in the playoffs against Pittsburgh so it’s fresh to peoples minds.
Chaos Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Turk71 said: Agree. A guy who avgd 8 yards after the catch is definitely a weapon. I could have phrased it better but I was referring to his less than dangerous speed. I'm glad they got him, Singletary's receiving was improved but a solid pass catching back is good to have. Don't know much about him. But a nine yard gain following a checkdown pass on third and 15, is not really impressive. I am curious what the situation stats look like
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