DT DaQuan Jones to Buffalo, $3.58M cap this year

[BullBuchanan]

23 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is much more than I anticipated. 

 

From 18-20 he had a 3 yr $21 MM contact he played out in Tennessee... last off season he signed in Carolina for 1 yr $4 MM... did he play that well to get this massive raise? 2yr for 14? 

 

Kind of head scratching.  This has a Mario Addisson overpay feel to it but I hope it works out, hard to gauge interior linemen. 

 

I don't get the hate for Addison. He still had 7 sacks this year and was a 9-11 sack per year guy when we signed him.

[ArtVandalay]

48 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I don't get the hate for Addison. He still had 7 sacks this year and was a 9-11 sack per year guy when we signed him.

Paying $10 MM a year for 12 sacks over 2 years for a specialty pass rusher and cutting him early is a bad contract...

 

Regardless, pick another example of your wish... Quinton Jefferson perhaps?

Edited March 16, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[BullBuchanan]

51 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Paying $10 MM a year for 12 sacks over 2 years for a specialty pass rusher and cutting him early is a bad contract...

 

Regardless, pick another example of your wish... Quinton Jefferson perhaps?

we've had plenty of poor DL signings, but Addison is frequently thrown under the bus here and I just find it weird. Especially so given how hard Hughes dropped off from when he was getting 10 sacks a year back in 2014.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[CNY315]

 

[John from Riverside]

On 3/15/2022 at 1:25 PM, Mikie's Bills said:

Not cheap at all..

 

A lot of money tied up in non pass rushing DTs in Star and Jones

It’s like people don’t even watch the team and see what the actual problems Namely you

[NewEra]

On 3/16/2022 at 12:52 PM, BullBuchanan said:

I don't get the hate for Addison. He still had 7 sacks this year and was a 9-11 sack per year guy when we signed him.

He wasn’t good year one.  Much better in year 2.  

[Thurman#1]

On 3/15/2022 at 8:36 PM, RyanC883 said:

 

No need for the “you’d have to follow the team and have an adequate memory” garbage.  

 

And now we know there was a reason both players fell below their arbitrarily assigned average draft value.  Other GM‘s saw this, we didn’t.  And neither were BPA when drafted.  

 

AJ has shown no signs of improvement, Basham taken over an all pro OL.  

 

 

Nonsense.

 

We're two years in on Epenesa and one on Basham. We don't know yet who they will become.

 

And it really is true that at the time, both were considered bargains and probably were BPA when drafted. Just as quick examples, Daniel Jeremiah had him at #54 and Gil Brandt had him at #38. Those are the first two I checked. There are a million more out there, but that's a fair range for him, if I remember correctly.

 

Brandt had Epenesa at #40 and Jeremiah at #26.

 

BPA doesn't mean "guaranteed to become the best player available." There are no guarantees. It means something along the lines of "Best Prospect Available." Basham and Epenesa were among the one or two most highly valued players available at the time they were picked.

 

They may well both turn into excellent players. Or not. We'll have to see.

 

 

On 3/16/2022 at 9:48 AM, RyanC883 said:

 

Yes, if a bunch of "analysists" state that a player should go at 24, and he starts falling, there is generally a reason known to most GM's for that fall.  Rodgers is an outlier.  

 

The second part of the argument is that Bean had AJ too high on his board, same with Basham, if he actually took BPA, which I do not believe he did, and rather attacked what he felt were the best "edge" rushers left.  

 

 

Nah. Sometimes there is a reason a guy falls. Other times it's DK Metcalf.

 

Plenty of times it's not some one reason so much as many reasons, like Team A would like him but like another player just as much and the other guy is at a position of greater need. Or Team B's owner wants them to pick another guy. Or Team C has a terrific player at the position already whom they just signed to a long-term contract. Or Team D has the guy ranked very low, even though he turns out to be DK Metcalf.

 

Rodgers may be an outlier, but there are a ton of outliers out there. Brady, Rodgers, Metcalf, Maualuga, Justin Houston, DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Steven Jackson, Randy Moss, Thurman Thomas. Lots more out there.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

Rodgers may be an outlier, but there are a ton of outliers out there. Brady, Rodgers, Metcalf, Maualuga, Justin Houston, DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Steven Jackson, Randy Moss, Thurman Thomas. Lots more out there.

 

Every year player late in the 1st or in the 2nd or 3rd round outperform players who were drafted higher.  Lots of reasons for that, including difficulty projecting how a guy will adjust to the pro's, injury, self-motivation, coaching etc.

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

He wasn’t good year one.  Much better in year 2.  

 

Year 1 (2020) we were struggling at DT all season with Harrison coming back from his ACL and Lotulelei opting out.  Lack of push up the middle had an impact on the edges.

[Buffalo Ballin]

As long as these dudes can stuff the run and pressure the QB consistently then that is all that matters. Also, no more 13 seconds.

[Helpmenow]

On 3/16/2022 at 3:52 PM, BullBuchanan said:

I don't get the hate for Addison. He still had 7 sacks this year and was a 9-11 sack per year guy when we signed him.

I thought he chased the QB really good at times 

[machine gun kelly]

Addison is not as good as some people on the board indicate.  We did need to get younger and now we have lot of competition both inside and out.

[GolfandBills]

Should probably take off the "another panther" part of the title.  Beane/McDermott have zero affiliation with this player.  

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Should probably take off the "another panther" part of the title.  Beane/McDermott have zero affiliation with this player.  

 

You could have a free agent that simply drove though North Carolina during a family trip to Florida, and some fans on this board would scream, "Another Panther connection!"

[GolfandBills]

Why was thus unpinned?  Mods don't approve of the signing?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Tortured Soul]

This is a surprisingly rich contract.  $8.5 million cap his in 2023, only $1.5 million in savings if he's released.  They clearly preferred him to Harrison Phillips at the same money.

 

Bills are already down to $15 million in 2023 cap space, if the cap goes up $10 million.  And that's with Edmunds, Knox and Poyer as free agents. They must be counting on the cap going up a lot more than $10 million.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

Why was thus unpinned?  Mods don't approve of the signing?

 

I think some of us are just trying to triage the large number of pinned threads, and when we didn’t have the numbers this and Jordan Phillips seemed like the best candidates.  But now we have the numbers so….

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Tortured Soul said:

This is a surprisingly rich contract.  $8.5 million cap his in 2023, only $1.5 million in savings if he's released.  They clearly preferred him to Harrison Phillips at the same money.

 

Bills are already down to $15 million in 2023 cap space, if the cap goes up $10 million.  And that's with Edmunds, Knox and Poyer as free agents. They must be counting on the cap going up a lot more than $10 million.

Why wouldn’t they prefer him to Phillips?  He’s a better DT.  He’s way more durable.  He’s a better pass rusher. He’s HUGE. 
 

we’re going to be kicking cap down the road every year from now on.  There’s gonna be some tough times with the cap…..and then we’ll  kick some of the problems to the following year.  It’ll catch up at some point, but not for a few years and a hopefully a few lombardis. Enjoy it.  Don’t stress about future cap please. I won’t be able to deal with this board if we have people complaining about Beane going for it while allen is in his prime. It’s what the nfl is all about

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Why wouldn’t they prefer him to Phillips?  He’s a better DT.  He’s way more durable.  He’s a better pass rusher. He’s HUGE. 
 

we’re going to be kicking cap down the road every year from now on.  There’s gonna be some tough times with the cap…..and then we’ll  kick some of the problems to the following year.  It’ll catch up at some point, but not for a few years and a hopefully a few lombardis. Enjoy it.  Don’t stress about future cap please. I won’t be able to deal with this board if we have people complaining about Beane going for it while allen is in his prime. It’s what the nfl is all about

We honestly aren’t even at a point where we need to worry about it catching up to us.  At least not yet.  Teams typically carry an average of 14M in dead cap per year.  
 

Regardless, BUF/KC/LA etc., are all playing cap games because they can win now and the cap is set to explode down the line.   
 

In 3 years, Allen’s contract will be seen as a bargain, and the only reason anyone is worried about the cap is due to Von Miller’s big contract - which is essentially a 3 year commitment with minimal dead cap in Year 4 & 5, assuming we move off him at that point. 

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by SCBills