How much did you pay for gas and groceries today?

[4th&long]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

By any objective measure he failed.  At least high prices he left us aren't killing anyone.

So somehow in your feeble brain because Biden failed it's OK for Trump to do nothing? You seem to forget when you keep bringing up Biden that he was voted out. It's that what you want to happen to your party? Stop talking about Biden, it is not helping the future. Trump might want to lie, since that's all he knows how to do, and act like he has a plan since he claimed he would bring down prices on day one. Afterall HE is the one that said HE would do that day one. 

Edited 5 hours ago by 4th&long

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

By any objective measure he failed.  At least high prices he left us aren't killing anyone.

What killed more people than any policy was the rights refusal to get vaccinated.  Besides the vax and social distancing there was little to do except work on drugs like paxlovid.

 

Re inflation, there's little anyone can do about it.  That's the truth.  If there was some lever that could be pulled, it would have already been.  Interest rates are the only real control and trump wants to decrease them, thus heating up the economy and causing more inflation.  This is why he hasn't presented a plan.  He doesn't have one.

[SectionC3]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

By any objective measure he failed.  At least high prices he left us aren't killing anyone.

Here's the thing.  Trump helped with COVID.  Operation Warp Speed was probably the biggest success of his presidency.  (He otherwise butchered the pandemic, but that's neither here nor there on the cleanup.).  Biden saw the COVID recovery through.  

 

Now that MAGA is big into macroeconomics in view of the skyrocketing cost of eggs (suddenly, bird flu is recognized as a catalyst of that problem), maybe the same analysis should be applied to inflation.  It's what happens when you have several months of low supply, pent up demand, and free money.  And guess who was complicit in all of that?  Trump.  He dished out the free money during the pandemic.  Even signed the checks.  He's also complicit in the low supply and the pent up demand through his mismanagement of that issue (turns out that maybe, just maybe, wearing a mask might have been a better play than squiring internal organs with Lysol and bleach and chasing ghosts on Ivermectin and HCQ).  Biden owns some of that too, to be sure.  He dished out the free money, and the ports in LA should have been opened by any means necessary when we had cargo ships circling off of the coast.  But it's not as simple as saying "Biden left us high prices."  There's fault on both sides.  And the problem now is the guy who said he would fix it on "Day One" is golfing and diddling more than he's working on that issue.  

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

What killed more people than any policy was the rights refusal to get vaccinated.  Besides the vax and social distancing there was little to do except work on drugs like paxlovid.

 

Re inflation, there's little anyone can do about it.  That's the truth.  If there was some lever that could be pulled, it would have already been.  Interest rates are the only real control and trump wants to decrease them, thus heating up the economy and causing more inflation.  This is why he hasn't presented a plan.  He doesn't have one.

Agreed.  What he could do, I suppose, is tell people the truth.  They have to work off some debt and solve their own crappy financial situations.  He could make things marginally better, by shifting some economic burdens (maybe tax the rich, add funding for childcare to enable people to get to work, and use the same tax increases to help address fuel taxes and the price of fuel).  But instead he golfs, and gulfs, I suppose, while Middle America struggles. 

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

What killed more people than any policy was the rights refusal to get vaccinated.  Besides the vax and social distancing there was little to do except work on drugs like paxlovid.

 

Re inflation, there's little anyone can do about it.  That's the truth.  If there was some lever that could be pulled, it would have already been.  Interest rates are the only real control and trump wants to decrease them, thus heating up the economy and causing more inflation.  This is why he hasn't presented a plan.  He doesn't have one.

 

The vaccine was first available December 14th, 2020.  As we clarified, only 2 million people were fully vaccinated by the time Trump left Office.  Meaning for the majority of Trump's time in Office there was no vaccine for people to refuse, much less a treatment like Paxlovid. 

 

WRT inflation, again, it's been just 5 weeks.  We all knew he wouldn't be able to reduce prices on day one and that this is a left talking point.  That doesn't mean they're not trying to reduce them.

 

36 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Here's the thing.  Trump helped with COVID.  Operation Warp Speed was probably the biggest success of his presidency.  (He otherwise butchered the pandemic, but that's neither here nor there on the cleanup.).  Biden saw the COVID recovery through.  

 

Now that MAGA is big into macroeconomics in view of the skyrocketing cost of eggs (suddenly, bird flu is recognized as a catalyst of that problem), maybe the same analysis should be applied to inflation.  It's what happens when you have several months of low supply, pent up demand, and free money.  And guess who was complicit in all of that?  Trump.  He dished out the free money during the pandemic.  Even signed the checks.  He's also complicit in the low supply and the pent up demand through his mismanagement of that issue (turns out that maybe, just maybe, wearing a mask might have been a better play than squiring internal organs with Lysol and bleach and chasing ghosts on Ivermectin and HCQ).  Biden owns some of that too, to be sure.  He dished out the free money, and the ports in LA should have been opened by any means necessary when we had cargo ships circling off of the coast.  But it's not as simple as saying "Biden left us high prices."  There's fault on both sides.  And the problem now is the guy who said he would fix it on "Day One" is golfing and diddling more than he's working on that issue.  

Agreed.  What he could do, I suppose, is tell people the truth.  They have to work off some debt and solve their own crappy financial situations.  He could make things marginally better, by shifting some economic burdens (maybe tax the rich, add funding for childcare to enable people to get to work, and use the same tax increases to help address fuel taxes and the price of fuel).  But instead he golfs, and gulfs, I suppose, while Middle America struggles. 

 

LOL!  If Trump "butchered the pandemic," what do you call what Biden did with it?  Over 170M people fully vaccinated when Omicron hit and 300K people died.

 

As for inflation, again it's been just 5 weeks.  If he can't get it under control, yes he will have failed with it just as much as Biden did with Wuhan virus.  But again, no one's dying from it.

Edited 4 hours ago by Doc

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

No sir, he campaigned on ending “Bidenflation” on Day 1.

 

The question that NO ONE HERE can answer - what is is his plan to end the “Bidenflation?”

 

He better hurry because his polling on the economy is tanking rapidly.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-poll-economy-inflation-2033668

 

Same polls that had Harris winning.  Ok.  
 

Better hurry up guys!   It’s only been a month.  
 

 

 

 

FYI - Trump already won.  The biggest victory and accomplishment of his presidency part 2 - no matter what he does from here on out - that is the most significant of any accomplishment by any POTUS ever and it won’t be topped.  
 

Killing the fake news and the Democrat party.  
 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Big Blitz

[Roundybout]

26 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Same polls that had Harris winning.  Ok.  
 

Better hurry up guys!   It’s only been a month.  
 

 

 

 

FYI - Trump already won.  The biggest victory and accomplishment of his presidency part 2 - no matter what he does from here on out - that is the most significant of any accomplishment by any POTUS ever and it won’t be topped.  
 

Killing the fake news and the Democrat party.  
 

 

 

 

 

Again, he ran on ending Bidenflation on DAY ONE. And here we are. 

[IrishLass]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the economy was the main reason most voted for him.  https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx

 

So you're pleased with him for fooling millions of rubes.  So great that you''re smarter than the average bear and weren't fooled.  That's awesome!

 

80 percent of people got the "safe and effective" so I can't control what they believe and what they don't.

 

Those of us plugged into what Trump's truly about know he's doing what's really NEEDED for the country. Of course he didn't campaign on 'tearing it down brick by brick.' Very few do their research, no doubt about that! Those of us who did aren't at all surprised by what Trump's doing currently, although I am surprised and impressed at the PACE he's doing it.

 

But don't worry, you're smart too, keep on smartin'!

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Again, he ran on ending Bidenflation on DAY ONE. And here we are. 

 

Yep.  That’s what we expected.  
 

4 years of unraveling the country undone in 1 day.  
 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

22 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

And result in the end of production, as it always does when the gov screws things up by intervening. 

Exactly, which is  why this was a rhetorical point, not an actual proposal.

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The vaccine was first available December 14th, 2020.  As we clarified, only 2 million people were fully vaccinated by the time Trump left Office.  Meaning for the majority of Trump's time in Office there was no vaccine for people to refuse, much less a treatment like Paxlovid. 

 

WRT inflation, again, it's been just 5 weeks.  We all knew he wouldn't be able to reduce prices on day one and that this is a left talking point.  That doesn't mean they're not trying to reduce them.

 

 

LOL!  If Trump "butchered the pandemic," what do you call what Biden did with it?  Over 170M people fully vaccinated when Omicron hit and 300K people died.

 

As for inflation, again it's been just 5 weeks.  If he can't get it under control, yes he will have failed with it just as much as Biden did with Wuhan virus.  But again, no one's dying from it.

That is a right talking point. He said he would reduce prices on day one. You feel for it. 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The vaccine was first available December 14th, 2020.  As we clarified, only 2 million people were fully vaccinated by the time Trump left Office.  Meaning for the majority of Trump's time in Office there was no vaccine for people to refuse, much less a treatment like Paxlovid. 

 

WRT inflation, again, it's been just 5 weeks.  We all knew he wouldn't be able to reduce prices on day one and that this is a left talking point.  That doesn't mean they're not trying to reduce them.

 

 

LOL!  If Trump "butchered the pandemic," what do you call what Biden did with it?  Over 170M people fully vaccinated when Omicron hit and 300K people died.

 

As for inflation, again it's been just 5 weeks.  If he can't get it under control, yes he will have failed with it just as much as Biden did with Wuhan virus.  But again, no one's dying from it.

Thankfully most were trump worshippers. Souls have got vaccinated. I was all for not forcing anyone to get vaccinated because it would help get rid of idiots. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

The vaccine was first available December 14th, 2020.  As we clarified, only 2 million people were fully vaccinated by the time Trump left Office.  Meaning for the majority of Trump's time in Office there was no vaccine for people to refuse, much less a treatment like Paxlovid.

and my point had nothing to do with any of this.  I'm talking about vaccinations during any time during the peaks of the pandemic.  When all we had were vaccines and placing ICU pts in trandelenburg position.   the vast majority of the unvaxed were R's from red states.   since R= Maga these days, it's fair to assume they're mostly magas.  And their stupidity killed many of them and unfortunately, many of the weaker vaxed population.  look at this map.  it nearly reflects the mean IQ of each state.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58020090

Edited 2 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, IrishLass said:

 

80 percent of people got the "safe and effective" so I can't control what they believe and what they don't.

 

Those of us plugged into what Trump's truly about know he's doing what's really NEEDED for the country. Of course he didn't campaign on 'tearing it down brick by brick.' Very few do their research, no doubt about that! Those of us who did aren't at all surprised by what Trump's doing currently, although I am surprised and impressed at the PACE he's doing it.

 

But don't worry, you're smart too, keep on smartin'!

 

 

 

 

 

where's the 80% figure come from.  Even if validated, that's over 60 mil morons who did their own $hitty research and made a ridiculously stupid decision - for themselves and especially weak and frail neighbors.  but who cares, right - I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder.

 

We were talking about inflation and prices.  Can't blame you for avoiding that topic like a potato blight.  Please describe the trump admins plan to fix it.

[IrishLass]

15 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

where's the 80% figure come from.  Even if validated, that's over 60 mil morons who did their own $hitty research and made a ridiculously stupid decision - for themselves and especially weak and frail neighbors.  but who cares, right - I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder.

 

We were talking about inflation and prices.  Can't blame you for avoiding that topic like a potato blight.  Please describe the trump admins plan to fix it.

 

 As of April 26, 2023, around 81.3 percent of the U.S. population had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination. This statistic shows the percentage of the population in the United States who had been given a COVID-19 vaccination as of April 26, 2023, by state or territory.

 

Percent of Population Who Had Been Given A Covid-19 Vaccination

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

 

 As of April 26, 2023, around 81.3 percent of the U.S. population had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination. This statistic shows the percentage of the population in the United States who had been given a COVID-19 vaccination as of April 26, 2023, by state or territory.

 

Percent of Population Who Had Been Given A Covid-19 Vaccination

 

 

 

 

thanks.  69% fully vaccinated, so I guess we're arguing over the definition of vaccinated.  Note the laggard, bottom of the barrel states- all dark red.  More to the point, how would you explain trump's plan to fight inflation?

[IrishLass]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

thanks.  69% fully vaccinated, so I guess we're arguing over the definition of vaccinated.  Note the laggard, bottom of the barrel states- all dark red.  More to the point, how would you explain trump's plan to fight inflation?

 

What's the difference whether it's 'fully' vs 'not fully?' It was neither safe nor effective, so why are you distinguishing between the two. And yes, I DO note that more Democrats took the "Trumpcine" than Republicans, that's an interesting thing to note.

 

Liberals: "The guy I DIDN'T vote for isn't fulfilling his CAMPAIGN promises as fast as I want him to." Again, oh well. 

 

             

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

What’s the plan wench? From the guy who is president of my country. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[IrishLass]

21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

What’s the plan wench? From the guy who is president of my country. 

 

If you did a deep dive instead of just regurgitating MSM stuff, you'd already know. But since you didn't

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Yep.  That’s what we expected.  
 

4 years of unraveling the country undone in 1 day.  
 

 

 

Moving those goalposts must keep you in good shape 

[4th&long]

48 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

 

What's the difference whether it's 'fully' vs 'not fully?' It was neither safe nor effective, so why are you distinguishing between the two. And yes, I DO note that more Democrats took the "Trumpcine" than Republicans, that's an interesting thing to note.

 

Liberals: "The guy I DIDN'T vote for isn't fulfilling his CAMPAIGN promises as fast as I want him to." Again, oh well. 

 

             

 

 

 

 

I don't know what the ***** is the matter with you but but the vaccine worked great for me and my family. Who said it's not safe or effective? Some dumb broad on a message board? The crazy right wing media? Lick me. 

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The vaccine was first available December 14th, 2020.  As we clarified, only 2 million people were fully vaccinated by the time Trump left Office.  Meaning for the majority of Trump's time in Office there was no vaccine for people to refuse, much less a treatment like Paxlovid. 

 

WRT inflation, again, it's been just 5 weeks.  We all knew he wouldn't be able to reduce prices on day one and that this is a left talking point.  That doesn't mean they're not trying to reduce them.

 

 

LOL!  If Trump "butchered the pandemic," what do you call what Biden did with it?  Over 170M people fully vaccinated when Omicron hit and 300K people died.

 

As for inflation, again it's been just 5 weeks.  If he can't get it under control, yes he will have failed with it just as much as Biden did with Wuhan virus.  But again, no one's dying from it.

So you're a shutdown guy?  Seems to me that, in the meantime, if all of these fools weren't running around complaining about having to wear a mask to prevent the spread of disease, we could have had some semblance of normalcy and maybe not dished out all of the free cash and maybe not had all of that pent up inflation.  

 

With respect to inflation, it has been five weeks.  It's not a "leftist" talking point that Trump said he'd have a day one fix for inflation.  "Immediately" and "rapidly" bring prices down, beginning on "Day One."  Those are his words.  So either he's a leftist, you're out to lunch on this one, or he's doing nothing about the problem.  Maybe it's all three, because the fact remains he's playing an awful lot of golf and spending an awful lot of time not working when he's the guy who supposedly is the best equipped to "save" this country.  

 

Finally, re: Biden, how many who died refused the vax?  I'm going to guess a lot.  And that's what happens.  We had a vax, we were trying to get back to normal, some people chose not to participate in efforts to normalize, and some of those people died.  

1 hour ago, IrishLass said:

 

What's the difference whether it's 'fully' vs 'not fully?' It was neither safe nor effective, so why are you distinguishing between the two. And yes, I DO note that more Democrats took the "Trumpcine" than Republicans, that's an interesting thing to note.

 

Liberals: "The guy I DIDN'T vote for isn't fulfilling his CAMPAIGN promises as fast as I want him to." Again, oh well. 

 

             

 

 

 

 

Oh please.  You're just trying to distract from the fact that the guy you voted for is slugging Diet Coke and McDonald's on a golf course while ignoring you and the issue that got him elected.  No plan for the economy, no hope of a plan, and no interest in hoping for a plan, because he's focused on golf, fast food, and the tariff idea that more or less everyone with a brain realizes is stupid and not good fore the economy).