T master Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/12/2022 at 7:38 AM, YoloinOhio said: How much was saved do you know ? Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 I'd honestly just cut him and draft a rookie. But oh well Quote
Tuco Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 I get the guy wasn't good last year. But cutting him without a replacement seems unnecessary. We always go into training camp with 2 punters out of 90 players. One of this year's punters will be the same one who was here all last year. Who, outside of $100,000 in total roster/workout bonus, just agreed to eliminate his guaranteed salary and to accept the minimum salary for a 5 year player. Previously, we would have had to cut him before March 19 in order to avoid his guarantee kicking in. That would have saved us $1.2 mil while leaving $700,000 in dead cap. We still get the dead cap by cutting him later. Nothing can help that. But under this new deal, we've already saved $415,000 of that $1.2 mil. And we can still save the rest of it, but with the luxury of not having to cut Haack until we want to - any time up to the 53 man roster cut down in September. So let's review- Before- --$1.0 mil guaranteed salary if not cut by March 19 --$275,000 roster bonus March 19 + $25,000 workout bonus = $300,000 also basically guaranteed since it's paid on March 19 also. --$1.2 mil (cap) savings if cut before March 19. --Cutting him before March 19 would leave us with no punter/holder, needing 2 new, unfamiliar, outsider punters/holders to head into camp. After- --Nothing guaranteed except $100,000 roster/workout bonus --Base salary is minimum allowed for 5 year player. Again, Haack is now on a minimum salary + $100,000 bonus deal with no guarantees or any kind of penalty for cutting him at any time through the off season instead of by March 19. --Already saved $415,000 of the $1.2 million cutting him before March 19th would have saved. --Get to go into camp with one of our 2 punters/holders as the same one we had all last year. Can still save the rest of that $1.2 million by cutting him any time (actually $1.55 million if cut after June 1st). I get a lot of you just want him gone. Our GM disagreed and has decided to keep last year's punter for continuity, camp competition/ camp body, etc., until such time we are sure we have someone better. Having made that decision, outside of $100,000 in bonuses (down from $300,000), while eliminating salary guarantees and deadlines, he couldn't have gotten Haack on a better team friendly deal. I know it's a free country and all. But if I'[m gonna spend any of my time complaining about any of Beane's contracts, this ain't one of them. Quote
billsfan89 Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I get where you're coming from and I know a kicker needs a holder he is comfortable with. Find a new punter who can hold and is an upgrade at punter. Get a million reps in before the regular season and Bass should be fine. I've never heard of sacrificing punting because a guy holds the ball well. It's bizarre. I fully agree that an upgrade at punter while also having someone that can hold at an effective level is the solution here. But Haack is not a bad fall back option if the draft doesn't pan out and the free agent punters aren't out performing Haack. Haack is a below average punter but at least he bring something else highly positive to the table outside of punting. Quote
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