Buffalo Bills are reportedly interested in DE Chandler Jones

[Shake_My_Head]

17 hours ago, fasteddie said:

He's actually from the Binghamton area. Union-Endicott High School. 

Born in Rochester and moved to the Binghamton area when he was eight.

 

[Shake_My_Head]

14 hours ago, junior said:

 

We had a great guard in Teller. We just traded him for peanuts 😄

He was not great when he was traded.   He was a good run blocker / average pass blocker who took too many penalties...

[Thurman#1]

54 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Opinions, we all have them. And the fact that Edmunds is on a guaranteed $12.7M/yr contract when that money can be better applied towards a pass rusher like Chandler Jones is my opinion. Edmunds isn’t worth that sort of coin, especially when we’re up against the cap. You don’t have to agree. You also don’t have to go on these “Edmunds is great! Our GM says so!” crusades all the time someone disagrees with you. It’s like you take it personally when a poster doesn’t believe he’s deserving of his salary or hype and you accuse the poster of “hate,” it’s ridiculous.
 

If and when Edmunds is signed by another team I won’t even tag you to throw it in your face, because I don’t care that much. Here’s a newsflash for you: everything our GM says is not gospel. But I think you know that already… except when it involves Edmunds. Continue to tell me how he takes away the middle of the field and how QBs are scared to throw his way because his coverage skills are akin to Deion Sanders. I actually left your name out the last time I referenced this phrase and just called you “a poster” because I didn’t want to embarrass you. Now I don’t care. Your irrationality is laughable.

 

 

Yes, we all have opinions. No problem.

 

What's stupid is saying "It's just reality" about your opinion. 

 

More, you say I don't have to go on a crusade when someone has an opposing opinion? Yeah, guess what, when somebody starts a thread about someone like Chandler Jones or somebody, you don't have to leap in with your usual "Wah, wah, wah, I hate Edmunds" crap in the first post either. You folks threadnap relentlessly with your sad little Edmunds hatred. At least when I point out how ridiculous some of this Edmunds hate is, I wait till somebody says something about Edmunds. I don't run around thread-napping like you did here and like you folks do constantly.

 

And while gospel is far overdoing it, Beane has shown that outside of draft smoke, he answers honestly. I'm sure you know that. He's not one of those guys who simply lies anytime he feels like it. When he doesn't want to answer something, he doesn't need to lie, He's very adept, as is McDermott at throwing out a few Crash Davisisms that say nothing. When he goes out of his way to go into great detail about something, he's telling the truth. He could've heard the question and said, "Well, you know Tremaine Edmunds, I want him beside me in a street fight. He gives 110% every time. He's an NFL player right to the core. Next question."

 

He could've said that, but he didn't. He specifically said Edmunds will "definitely" be "a core building block moving forward." You may not want to hear that, but he said it and he's shown himself to be a guy who doesn't find it necessary to lie.

 

And you had to throw in a straw man in this dumb post too, hunh? Could you just point out where I compared Edmunds to Deion Sanders? Just quick link to it. I'll wait. But nobody should hold their breath, because that's a total straw man.

 

The reason I talk about the fact that he changes a lot of QB minds about a lot of throws over the middle is because the evidence shows that that's what happens. Teams throw less over the middle to intermediate range and deeper against us than against nearly anyone else. Edmunds has a whole ton to do with that.

 

 

[Brand J]

21 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes, we all have opinions. No problem.

 

What's stupid is saying "It's just reality" about your opinion. 

 

More, you say I don't have to go on a crusade when someone has an opposing opinion? Yeah, guess what, when somebody starts a thread about someone like Chandler Jones or somebody, you don't have to leap in with your usual "Wah, wah, wah, I hate Edmunds" crap in the first post either. You folks threadnap relentlessly with your sad little Edmunds hatred. At least when I point out how ridiculous some of this Edmunds hate is, I wait till somebody says something about Edmunds. I don't run around thread-napping like you did here and like you folks do constantly.

 

And while gospel is far overdoing it, Beane has shown that outside of draft smoke, he answers honestly. I'm sure you know that. He's not one of those guys who simply lies anytime he feels like it. When he doesn't want to answer something, he doesn't need to lie, He's very adept, as is McDermott at throwing out a few Crash Davisisms that say nothing. When he goes out of his way to go into great detail about something, he's telling the truth. He could've heard the question and said, "Well, you know Tremaine Edmunds, I want him beside me in a street fight. He gives 110% every time. He's an NFL player right to the core. Next question."

 

He could've said that, but he didn't. He specifically said Edmunds will "definitely" be "a core building block moving forward." You may not want to hear that, but he said it and he's shown himself to be a guy who doesn't find it necessary to lie.

 

And you had to throw in a straw man in this dumb post too, hunh? Could you just point out where I compared Edmunds to Deion Sanders? Just quick link to it. I'll wait. But nobody should hold their breath, because that's a total straw man.

 

The reason I talk about the fact that he changes a lot of QB minds about a lot of throws over the middle is because the evidence shows that that's what happens. Teams throw less over the middle to intermediate range and deeper against us than against nearly anyone else. Edmunds has a whole ton to do with that.

 

 

Here you go with your “hate, hate, hate” nonsense again. As I’ve told you before, I don’t hate the player, never called him trash or said he sucked, but if an opinion doesn’t align with your “logic” it’s described as “hate.” I responded to Yatta above as for why I referenced Edmunds in the Chandler Jones thread. Sure I could’ve left it with an ambiguous “do everything up to and including trading the player with the large contract other teams may value,” but I put a name on it. Waaah. Waaah. 
 

You must be an older guy, huh? Your memory escapes you. We’ve had this back and forth about Edmunds before, I said he wasn’t an impact defender, you said he was - much in the same way Deion Sanders was an impact defender because teams didn’t throw his way. Do you not remember your own words? You made the laughable comparison. Scary and unbelievable, I know.

[Maine-iac]

7 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

You missed the point.

 

What does Lorenzo Alexander "working out fine" have to do with Chandler Jones stating that scheme fit is important to him?

It means that we play a 4-3 where Jones might be a rush end but we've previously adapted to rush LB's like Alexander who started his career actually at DT and ended up here as a LB.  We can "scheme" for Jones talents and that is what he said he was looking for.

[DCofNC]

17 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Sign Chandler Jones

trade 1st rd pk to panthers for McCaffrey

2nd rd pick draft OL

3rd rd pick draft CB

 

Super Bowl

Yeah, I’d swap 1st round picks with the Panthers for McCaffrey, seems like a fair deal to take that contract.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Stenbar said:

Chandler Jones would be a great addition. McDermott is the reason we will not win a Super Bowl while he is coaching this team. His game management skills are on par with a pee wee football Coach. He has none. His team building is top notch.

I'm 50/50 on if he can't or not.

 

He is a good coach who needs to go over the hump.

 

It took Andy Reid a long time to clean up his game management skills and get over true hump, so I'm definitely not ready to give up on him yet.

[MasterStrategist]

48 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Here you go with your “hate, hate, hate” nonsense again. As I’ve told you before, I don’t hate the player, never called him trash or said he sucked, but if an opinion doesn’t align with your “logic” it’s described as “hate.” I responded to Yatta above as for why I referenced Edmunds in the Chandler Jones thread. Sure I could’ve left it with an ambiguous “do everything up to and including trading the player with the large contract other teams may value,” but I put a name on it. Waaah. Waaah. 
 

You must be an older guy, huh? Your memory escapes you. We’ve had this back and forth about Edmunds before, I said he wasn’t an impact defender, you said he was - much in the same way Deion Sanders was an impact defender because teams didn’t throw his way. Do you not remember your own words? You made the laughable comparison. Scary and unbelievable, I know.

Give it a rest man, we all know your opinion on Tremaine.  The decision has been made on his 5th year option, no going back. It's possible Beane is working on an extension, to lower the cap hit. But there are many ways we could create cap space, and cutting Tremaine and his fully guaranteed contract is not one.

 

This thread is meant to be about Chandler Jones, not who we need to justify cutting to find ways to sign him.

 

Back to topic, Jones and a solid 1 DT in the draft would transform this dline.  Which in turn, is going to elevate the play of the back 7 

 

 

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Give it a rest man, we all know your opinion on Tremaine.  The decision has been made on his 5th year option, no going back. It's possible Beane is working on an extension, to lower the cap hit. But there are many ways we could create cap space, and cutting Tremaine and his fully guaranteed contract is not one.

 

This thread is meant to be about Chandler Jones, not who we need to justify cutting to find ways to sign him.

 

Back to topic, Jones and a solid 1 DT in the draft would transform this dline.  Which in turn, is going to elevate the play of the back 7 

 

 

Sign me up for Jones and a 1DT (Davis?) but sorry, did I suggest Tremaine needed to be cut? 

[BillsFanForever19]

19 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Sign Chandler Jones

trade 1st rd pk to panthers for McCaffrey

2nd rd pick draft OL

3rd rd pick draft CB

 

Super Bowl

 

So we lose Emmanuel Sanders, Isaiah McKenzie, and Cole Beasley and you have us signing no replacements in FA and not taking a WR in the first 3 picks? That's a bold strategy.

Edited March 12, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Brand J]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

So we lose Emmanuel Sanders, Isaiah McKenzie, and Cole Beasley and you have us signing no replacement in FA and not taking a WR in the first 3 picks? That's a bold strategy.

Hey, man, this is a Chandler Jones thread! 😂

[billsfan89]

I wouldn't hate a short term deal but at 32 and one year removed from a serious injury in 2020 I would be cautious. But then again Buffalo is in win now mode so brining in vets to put the team "over the top" might be the right move. 

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

It means that we play a 4-3 where Jones might be a rush end but we've previously adapted to rush LB's like Alexander who started his career actually at DT and ended up here as a LB.  We can "scheme" for Jones talents and that is what he said he was looking for.

 

I don't think Lorax's situation is relevant.

1. There's a difference between a player stating they only want to play in a certain scheme and said player taking a team at their word that they are going to change their scheme to fit the player.
2. Lorenzo Alexander played D-line many years before he transitioned to LB... and he made that transition well before he signed with the Bills.

Regardless we'll see soon enough. As another poster said, they believe that Chandler Jones would prefer to play as a 4-3 end.

[Sierra Foothills]

Not sure what Jones' comments about scheme preference really mean but I found this to be interesting as far as his stated position:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneCh03.htm

[bobobonators]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

So we lose Emmanuel Sanders, Isaiah McKenzie, and Cole Beasley and you have us signing no replacements in FA and not taking a WR in the first 3 picks? That's a bold strategy.

My post was not meant to be an expansive layout of roster moves. A veteran WR can be signed to replace Sanders or Beasley and/or a WR drafted in the 4th or 3rd rd. Davis moves into the #2 WR slot should be expectation id believe. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by bobobonators

[Malazan]

16 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Not sure what Jones' comments about scheme preference really mean but I found this to be interesting as far as his stated position:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneCh03.htm

 

He's pretty vague, but my assumption is that it's about dropping into coverage. It could be about more minute details, but given the prevalence of defensive ends dropping back in modern defenses.. it seems like a safe bet to me. 

[BigAl2526]

On the front page of this web site is a link to an article that says Chandler Jones is more interested in finding the right fit to maximize his potential than making the most money he can.  If he meets with Beane, I assume McDermott will be part of that meeting for the purpose of explaining how he could be used.  Then they'll talk money.  Buffalo is good enough now that some quality free agents may give a discount because signing with Buffalo means a chance at winning Super Bowls.  Maybe Chandler is one of them.

[Billzgobowlin]

46 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

On the front page of this web site is a link to an article that says Chandler Jones is more interested in finding the right fit to maximize his potential than making the most money he can.  If he meets with Beane, I assume McDermott will be part of that meeting for the purpose of explaining how he could be used.  Then they'll talk money.  Buffalo is good enough now that some quality free agents may give a discount because signing with Buffalo means a chance at winning Super Bowls.  Maybe Chandler is one of them.

Ladies and gentleman it's been a while since we have had the super bowl favorites and back then we know Wilson wasn't interested in spending money.  This is what the Steelers, Patriots and Packers fans probably felt like during their dynasties.

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Ladies and gentleman it's been a while since we have had the super bowl favorites and back then we know Wilson wasn't interested in spending money.  This is what the Steelers, Patriots and Packers fans probably felt like during their dynasties.

 

First.......when Ralph thought he had a SB team he was a BIG spender........his Bills paid top dollar for Kelly, Reed, Bruce and Thurman.    He was cheap when he thought he couldn't win......which was more often than not due to his poor stewardship.   He wanted to win on the field but was more than happy to win on the ledger by pocketing big money with his low overhead arrangement in Buffalo while many of the newer owners who were working hard to advance the future of the game were servicing franchise purchase and stadium debt.    

 

As for now.......we keep hearing about how the Bills are now a "free agent destination" and that free agents will take less to play in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

 

But until we actually SEE that.........it's just talk.   

 

And even if that actually becomes a thing...........they still need to be able to find their share of ascending talents and cheap scheme fits in UFA..........which has been a huge weakness of Beane and his pro personnel director Malik Boyd.

[Billzgobowlin]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

First.......when Ralph thought he had a SB team he was a BIG spender........his Bills paid top dollar for Kelly, Reed, Bruce and Thurman.    He was cheap when he thought he couldn't win......which was more often than not due to his poor stewardship.   He wanted to win on the field but was more than happy to win on the ledger by pocketing big money with his low overhead arrangement in Buffalo while many of the newer owners who were working hard to advance the future of the game were servicing franchise purchase and stadium debt.    

 

As for now.......we keep hearing about how the Bills are now a "free agent destination" and that free agents will take less to play in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

 

But until we actually SEE that.........it's just talk.   

 

And even if that actually becomes a thing...........they still need to be able to find their share of ascending talents and cheap scheme fits in UFA..........which has been a huge weakness of Beane and his pro personnel director Malik Boyd.

Just be happy and enjoy the ride