No criminal charges for Deshaun Watson; civil deposition 3/15

[HamSandwhich]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I thought that you could indict a ham sandwich?

Hey man! 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He might as well be saying goodbye.  

 

If Miami wants him even remotely this is where Watson wants to be this is where he's going.  

I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco.

It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team

Edited March 12, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away.

 

It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

Edited March 12, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Brand J]

The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm.
Watson definitely is no angel, but did he rape those women or force them to do anything against their will ala R Kelly? Guess we’ll never know but I have my doubts. I’m sure they were all well paid after their “massage sessions” as well.

Edited March 12, 2022 by JayBaller10

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. 

And OJ was also found not guilty.  Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits.  This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ;  how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them?  Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding.  Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet  he had to have his massages outside of team facilities?  Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on.  Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. 

Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc)  and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc!  I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football.  Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ?  Yeah , I am betting  it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy.   Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again.
 

 Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science.  I am sure he will settle, of course ,  because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ).   The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled.  Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this  was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

My guess is Carolina.

 

But Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Seattle, & Pittsburgh all make a lot of sense. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Saint Doug]

54 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away.

 

It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

He may be working for free next year. With the number of girls and lawyers knowing what he’ll make, he’d be lucky it’s just 1 year salary. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team

Doesn’t matter

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

4 hours ago, transient said:

Git’r done Beane!! 🤪

If we got him it will be by the usual route.....Carolina.

[Chicken Boo]

Not surprising with little to no evidence.

 

"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

Edited March 12, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. 

 

 

Are you kidding?

 

The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge.

 

He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life.

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Are you kidding?

 

The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge.

 

He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life.

People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. 

I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, DrPJax said:

And OJ was also found not guilty.  Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits.  This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ;  how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them?  Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding.  Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet  he had to have his massages outside of team facilities?  Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on.  Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. 

Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc)  and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc!  I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football.  Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ?  Yeah , I am betting  it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy.   Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again.
 

 Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science.  I am sure he will settle, of course ,  because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ).   The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled.  Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this  was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. 

 

 

Yeah, he'd be nuts not to settle. And yet if he'd been operating in his own best interest, he'd have done so long since.

 

He can't want these women to testify in open court. Some of them will be very believable. If he's smart, he'll settle and do it soon. But again, he hasn't been operating in his own best interests so far.

[Thurman#1]

48 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. 

I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. 

 

 

Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems.

 

Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans.

 

Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. 

 

Will signing Watson also have positive effects? Sure, in the on-the-field product. It'll go both ways, but there will absolutely be negative effects.

 

He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

He's still got to be suspended at least 4 - 8 games by the league right?

3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm.

 

He wanted out of Houston so bad because he knew he had burned so many bridges around town.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems.

 

Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans.

 

Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. 

 

He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years.

We have players in the league that have actually been convicted of domestic violence and other violent crimes. We had a team with such behavior similar to Watson, cough Pittsburgh. The league is making more money now then they ever have even with questionable characters. Nobody and I mean nobody is concerned about this in the NFL circle as long as no legal issues exist. 

[Bronxbomber21]

I heard he's going to Seattle