ALF Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Cool. Which ones have you talked to? It's called common sense.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So Alf is Gen Milley or he has direct access to him? Huh. Or perhaps Col. Vindman auditing phone conversations for the CIA between world leaders?
Chef Jim Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, ALF said: It's called common sense. I see and your common sense aligns with the Russian Generals? Got it. 🙄 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Or perhaps Col. Vindman auditing phone conversations for the CIA between world leaders? Maybe…Maybe. But not sure how Alf got in the loop. 🤷🏻♂️ 1
Niagara Bill Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, T master said: I'm no politician that's for sure & i'm not real sure of how this will be handled today & don't think a WW would be good for anyone but if NATO and those in it are for freedom and a countries sovereignty they need to band together & do something but i don't have any faith in our leaders !! I do feel that if this same thing would have happened 100 years ago Americans then would have went in & fought with Ukraine . The thing i don't understand is that the US gov't went into Afghanistan and put all kinds of money in the back door to fight Russia & helped to run the Russians out yet the US gov't now sits on the side line & do nothing which speaks volumes for freedom around the world !! You must understand freedom...no one tells me to wear a mask to help save fellow citizens, but seat belts are ok. GOT IT! 😁
ALF Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I see and your common sense aligns with the Russian Generals? Got it. 🙄 Maybe…Maybe. But not sure how Alf got in the loop. 🤷🏻♂️ Russia could go to cyber warfare or cut off natural gas to Europe and do a lot of damage. All out nuclear would be insanity and that would be the end. Edited March 10, 2022 by ALF
Chef Jim Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, ALF said: Russia could go to cyber warfare or cut off natural gas to Europe and do a lot of damage. All out nuclear would be insanity and that would be the end. So wait. Everyone says Putin is insane and you’re saying he wouldn’t do something insane? Logic is terribly missing in conversations today. And his generals are also likely crazy or unable to overrule him.
sherpa Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Beach said: im waiting for more information before voting I'll provide some. I'm pretty familiar with this type of thing, and it would take significant time to establish. The Russians would not waste that time doing nothing. First, there is no "No Fly Zone Backed up by NATO," per the thread title. The only true capability would come from the US, and perhaps some UK. Germany, Poland and the others provide no significant air to air capability enhancement against the Russians. The only thing NATO would provide, other than proclamations of participation, would be runways to operate off of. The requirements to enforce it would include: Fighters capable of high probability of success against Russian fighters. Those odds go up dramatically using F-22's and F-35's. US f-22's and F-35's, using US AWACS for fore integration. So the player roster would be US AWACS, US F-35's and US F-22's. Tankers. Because the numbers are not favorable, that means very long missions. Fighters doing an air defense mission are thirsty beings. Probably not smart to get the tankers or AWACS into contested airspace, so they would be anchored in some NATO country nearby. Electronic Warfare assets. The Russians have very sophisticated air defense weapons. Given range capability, they could use some on the ground in Russia to cover the area. How would this be handled? Is the "NATO" force going to attack systems on Russian soil? Is NATO going to accept its airplanes being shot at without attacking? I guarantee the pilots won't. Jamming requires three things. One is capability, two is proximity and three is wattage-lots of power. Does NATO have that ability to jam S-400 and S-500 systems? What happens when a Russian or NATO airplane gets shot down? Now we have an undeniable act of war between NATO and Russia. Further, this concept that a no fly zone solves/ends the problem is crazy. What about Russian ground forces, already present in great numbers with a lot more behind them? Do they simply stop advancing and quit? I doubt the Ukrainians can successfully deal with that capability, and I doubt a no fly zone is going to allow strike aircraft to eliminate the Russian threat. Let the sanctions do their work. A no fly zone sounds great, but it's de facto war, and things could get wickedly nasty in a very short time. 1
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