DCofNC Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 4:24 PM, RyanC883 said: a 2 year prove-it deal seems fair to both sides. He was just cut by a bad team, he comes here and performs well and we get a great player, he increases his value when our young guys are hopefully ready to take over (hopefully before 2 years for Groot and Basham). Expand On 3/9/2022 at 4:28 PM, FilthyBeast said: This is my concern as well, 2019 looked to be the peak for him which isn't saying much to begin with. But if he did regain that form in Buffalo again he's at worse a solid rotational piece which this team seems to love. Expand I would like him on a prove it deal, no guarantees but a ton of incentive money. He seems like he has a bad case of the “play when I want money”. Quote
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 10:29 PM, Fan in Chicago said: If Lawson signs, it will point to a shake up in the DE room. I have theorized that Hughes, Obada and Epenesa won't be on the team next season Expand I don’t think a signing like Lawson points to anything other than that the Bills are addressing DE depth. On 3/9/2022 at 10:21 PM, Augie said: Imagine Jerry wondering if he would “bother” playing for “only” $3 million a year. Don’t get me wrong, I do NOT begrudge any of them the money, it’s just such a different world and mindset. Good for them, especially the ones that are truly good people. Expand 13 seasons and over $79M in earnings. If he plays another year for $3M or so it will be because he wants a ring and/or still loves playing. At some point it becomes about how your body is holding up and how far you want to push that though. He will be 34 for next season. 1 Quote
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 he was just ok when he was here...I doubt he's gotten much better the last few seasons Quote
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 11:57 PM, Paul Costa said: Shaq would be a solid pick as he and Rousseau are both solid at setting the edge and playing against RPO’s. It would be nice to have a solid run stopping unit on early downs. The go get after the QB. This coming year we play the AFC & NFC North. A bunch of run first teams and some great RB’s. Plus we play Tennessee. And all the division teams are run first teams. We have to be much more stout against the run than the last couple of years. If we want to reach our goals. Expand Something to consider for all of the “we need run stoppers on first and second down” folks: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-first-down-pct Only two teams in the league ran more than they passed on first down last season. Stopping the run when you need to do that is important (obviously). Cheap depth guys like Lawson are a good way to address that. I’m not enthusiastic about using first round picks or spending large on players who primarily do that however. Quote
DapperCam Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:42 PM, BarleyNY said: Something to consider for all of the “we need run stoppers on first and second down” folks: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-first-down-pct Only two teams in the league ran more than they passed on first down last season. Stopping the run when you need to do that is important (obviously). Cheap depth guys like Lawson are a good way to address that. I’m not enthusiastic about using first round picks or spending large on players who primarily do that however. Expand Setting the edge is also about keeping the QB in the pocket. I still have nightmares about Addison and Hughes running right past Mahomes while he runs outside and gains 15 yards. I’m sure they got credited with a “QB Pressure” though… Quote
CheshireCT Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) How it all went for Shaq was a bit of a shame. It took him a long time to get over his injury and develop. He was on an upward slope in his last year and the Bills said publicly they would welcome him back at the right price. Of course he got an over-inflated deal that he couldn't live up to on an inferior team and it all went south from there. In the long run, a lower payday on the team where he was improving would have served him better. Whether or not he would play well for us at this point is anybody's guess. What I appreciate is the level-headed approach from Beane. He doesn't try hold guys down, and he doesn't seem to hold grudges either. He says this is what we're willing to pay you, if you can get more, I understand and we wish you well. If they evaluate Shaq and like what they see, I can imagine they'll offer him a deal to come back (at likely a pretty reasonable price). Edited March 10, 2022 by CheshireCT Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:34 PM, BarleyNY said: I don’t think a signing like Lawson points to anything other than that the Bills are addressing DE depth. Expand DE depth was not a problem. We have bodies but we need more impact Quote
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:50 PM, DapperCam said: Setting the edge is also about keeping the QB in the pocket. I still have nightmares about Addison and Hughes running right past Mahomes while he runs outside and gains 15 yards. I’m sure they got credited with a “QB Pressure” though… Expand Absolutely. But a lot of DEs can set the edge but can’t get to the QB. The edge setting kind is about all the Bills have right now anyway. Quote
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) On 3/10/2022 at 3:02 PM, Fan in Chicago said: DE depth was not a problem. We have bodies but we need more impact Expand I’m honestly not sure what you’re saying. DE depth “was not a problem”? Last year? Or this year prior to any signings? Because we have 3 Edge player that have any value at all under contract for 2022 right now: Rousseau, Epenesa and Basham. That’s it, unless you’re counting free agents or players that we already know won’t make our 53 (Bryan Cox & Mike Love). I don’t know about you, but that group is extremely underwhelming to me and I see almost no depth as Basham is still a big question mark. Edited March 10, 2022 by BarleyNY Quote
Fan in Chicago Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 3:11 PM, BarleyNY said: I’m honestly not sure what you’re saying. DE depth “was not a problem”? Last year? Or this year prior to any signings? Because we have 3 Edge player that have any value at all under contract for 2022 right now: Rousseau, Epenesa and Basham. That’s it, unless you’re counting free agents or players that we already know won’t make our 53 (Bryan Cox & Mike Love). I don’t know about you, but that group is extremely underwhelming to me and I see almost no depth as Basham is still a big question mark. Expand We are both saying the same thing. I was saying that we did not have a problem with number of DEs on the roster. Hence, technically "depth" was not an issue for the DE role. Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 We need a pass rusher, Shaq Lawson isn't that guy imo. 1 Quote
bmur66 Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Slowest DE off the snap that I ever noticed. I don't know why but it was very noticeable to me when he was here. I liked his attitude and he was solid otherwise. Edited March 10, 2022 by bmur66 2 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:06 PM, DCofNC said: I would like him on a prove it deal, no guarantees but a ton of incentive money. He seems like he has a bad case of the “play when I want money”. Expand I would suspect that's all he's going to get for the Bills or any other team at this point and I'd 100% fine with that. 1 Quote
Jay_Fixit Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:41 PM, nucci said: he was just ok when he was here...I doubt he's gotten much better the last few seasons Expand This is putting it nicely. Lawson is a JAG. 2 Quote
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:06 PM, DCofNC said: I would like him on a prove it deal, no guarantees but a ton of incentive money. He seems like he has a bad case of the “play when I want money”. Expand what's a "prove it deal" ? He's been in the league a few years. We know how he plays Quote
billsfan89 Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 I would like it as a one year prove it Deal for Shaq. Shaq is a good early down edge setter. If they can sign him I would like it. Quote
Maine-iac Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 2:41 PM, nucci said: he was just ok when he was here...I doubt he's gotten much better the last few seasons Expand Lawson's last season here he had more tackles, almost as many sacks, and more than double the tackles for loss than any DE currently on our roster had last year and we paid him half over 4 years what we paid Addison over 2. Quote
Motor26 Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 How about they try and sign an impact edge rusher instead of another JAG. They have enough to those already. Quote
Maine-iac Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 8:00 PM, Motor26 said: How about they try and sign an impact edge rusher instead of another JAG. They have enough to those already. Expand If we somehow clear some cap space and magically sign Clowney I'll be cheering as loud as anyone. Quote
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 7:57 PM, Maine-iac said: Lawson's last season here he had more tackles, almost as many sacks, and more than double the tackles for loss than any DE currently on our roster had last year and we paid him half over 4 years what we paid Addison over 2. Expand so is Lawson good or rest of our DL bad? Quote
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