Bobby Wagner released

[delirious]

The Edmunds truthers out in full force doing their mental gymnastics for a guy that can't even hold Wagner's jock strap. 

 

[mannc]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah, the guy that we eventually have to stop to win a Super Bowl. If one of our core defensive players is that easily abused by the QB that will be our nemesis for the next decade, it's not a good long term fit. I'm at the point where any potential roster move we make on defense I'm asking "how does this player help us against the Chiefs?" For Edmunds the answer is "he doesn’t." To my eyes he is in fact a direct liability against the Chiefs. That doesn't mean he's a terrible player. Just a bad fit for that final barrier we need to cross.

 

For similar reasons I'd like to see us upgrade Levi Wallace this year. Edmunds and Wallace are good enough players against most teams, but not against the one team that has knocked us out of the playoffs in two consecutive years.

 

Good post…this is exactly why I don’t want Jordan Davis in the first…he does nothing to get us over the hump vs the Chiefs.

[SydneyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, zow2 said:

It’s great how every name player that hits the market we hear “make it happen” on this board.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure how we can squeeze him onto the TBD 153-man roster.

[Thurman#1]

55 minutes ago, delirious said:

The Edmunds truthers out in full force doing their mental gymnastics for a guy that can't even hold Wagner's jock strap. 

 

 

 

Yes they are out and doing their mental gymnastics. You're an excellent example.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

32 minutes ago, mannc said:

Good post…this is exactly why I don’t want Jordan Davis in the first…he does nothing to get us over the hump vs the Chiefs.

 

 

Basing a decision only on getting past the Chiefs is nuts. Doesn't make any sense. If we'd been better at stopping the run against Indy or Tennessee or the first Pats game we win one more game and play the Chiefs at home and drastically improve our chances without changing anything else. You bring in people who will make you a better team.

 

Beyond that, it ain't as if the Chiefs never run. They do. If Jordan Davis crunches up a run and changes a 3rd and 4 to a 3rd and 7, he's improving our chances against the Chiefs.

[mannc]

14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Basing a decision only on getting past the Chiefs is nuts. Doesn't make any sense. If we'd been better at stopping the run against Indy or Tennessee or the first Pats game we win one more game and play the Chiefs at home and drastically improve our chances without changing anything else. You bring in people who will make you a better team.

 

Beyond that, it ain't as if the Chiefs never run. They do. If Jordan Davis crunches up a run and changes a 3rd and 4 to a 3rd and 7, he's improving our chances against the Chiefs.

Fine, but they can find guys in the third round (or in FA) who can do that quite well. This guy is not another Jeffrey Simmons.

Edited March 9, 2022 by mannc

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fine, but they can find guys in the third round (or in FA) who can do that quite well. This guy is not another Jeffrey Simons.

I’d, honestly, would like to see them target Travis Jones in the 2nd. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Wagner will be 32 in June, but he hasn't really lost a step yet. I'm one who believes that Edmunds is not the long term answer. I'd be good with trading him, signing Wagner, and drafting Chad Muma in the 2nd Round to groom as the MLB in this defense. 

 

 

Personally, Wagner looks to me like he has lost a half step.

 

But assume he hasn't. Would that mean he won't by opening day?

 

As for Muma, I think he could easily become the next Preston Brown. There could maybe be a guy there with the traits that the Bills look for. Maybe. But maybe not. IMO Muma isn't the guy.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

48 minutes ago, delirious said:

The Edmunds truthers out in full force doing their mental gymnastics for a guy that can't even hold Wagner's jock strap. 

 

For one, we're stuck with his cap hit. So this already makes get rid of Edmunds people clueless.

 

If there was a way to upgrade Edmunds I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board with that. There just isn't an easy way to upgrade.

 

This isn't a situation where taking on $12 million in dead cap by releasing him makes us better.

 

When someone like me says try to extend Edmunds to a Milano like deal we can save cap and improve the current team to win a Super Bowl. 

[Thurman#1]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fine, but they can find guys in the third round (or in FA) who can do that quite well. This guy is not another Jeffrey Simons.

 

 

I'm not against that. I'm not saying Davis or bust!

 

If they can find somebody who can do it later, I'd be thrilled. I haven't gone deep on space eaters.

 

But while Simmons is really good, he's not a space eater. He's not even a DT at this point, though he could be. But more of a penetrator, and not really a consistent two-gapper. And that's what the Bills need. IMO Davis is going to be very good at that.

 

But I'm not pounding the table for him or anything. I think we do need a two-gapper there. I have a general idea Davis is going to be a good one, but I could definitely be wrong. If the Bills want someone else, I'm fine with that.

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Personally, Wagner looks to me like he has lost a half step.

 

But assume he hasn't. Would that mean he won't by opening day?

 

As for Muma, I think he could easily become the next Preston Brown. There could maybe be a guy there with the traits that the Bills look for. Maybe. But maybe not. IMO Muma isn't the guy.

A Preston Brown comp for Chad Muma? Yeah, nah, they're not the same player. Muma actually profiles more so to Kuechly, athletically, than he does Preston Brown. Muma is more athletically gifted than Brown ever was, has instincts that can't be taught, and when he gets his hands on the ball carrier he brings them to the ground. This was evidenced by his NCAA leading 85 solo tackles. He got better every year. I encourage you to go watch some tape of the young man.

[Coach Tuesday]

What about Beane’s approach to his own draftees and free agency generally would lead anyone to think they’d consider cutting bait on Edmunds and signing Bobby Wagner?  It’s a waste of thought energy.

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Cowboys or Chiefs signed him tomorrow.

 

Beane doesn’t go after prized free agents, he just doesn’t.  The man has never had any credit card debt in his entire life - that’s who he is.  

[Niagara Dude]

10 hours ago, CDogg20 said:

Please make this happen. Please oh please

This could be a player Beane signs on a 2-3 year deal and then trades out Edmunds.  That gives him time to draft another LB and not have to worry about extending Edmunds this offseason to huge contract.  All depends what they think of Edmunds and do they want to invest a big contract into a player who has been good but not great so far in his career. Edmunds is still young enough to get to another level and maybe in another system used differently he reaches his true potential. There are some coaches and GM'S that love his size speed ratio. 

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Cowboys or Chiefs signed him tomorrow.

Both the Cowboys and the Chiefs are in cap limbo more so than us with the impact players they need to get re-signed. I don't see it happening. It will also depend on what Wagner is chasing, $$$ or a another ring. He could end up somewhere like Denver with Russ, or maybe he and KJ Wright both sign with LV, or Miami may come knocking at his door, possibly AZ. He will have options, but I don't think either of those will be Dallas or KC reaching out to him. 

[delirious]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes they are out and doing their mental gymnastics. You're an excellent example.

 

🤡

Hope springs eternal.... HE'S STILL YOUNG!1!1!1!!!!!111

Edited March 9, 2022 by delirious

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Beane has stated several times he wants to make moves that make sense for now and the future. Signing a soon to be 32 year old LB who will most likely want at least a 4 year deal who won't come cheap doesn't seem like a good decision imo but I really like the player.

Edited March 9, 2022 by BuffaloBillsGospel

[DeltaDigital]

9 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Signing Wagner and trading Edmunds would be a dream.

 

- Upgrade the ILB position.

- Get draft capital back for Edmunds.

- Edmunds fully gtd $12.7M 5th year option moves to the new team at no penalty.

- Groom a mid-to-late round ILB behind Wagner, an All-Pro.

THIS is the move. Financially savvy, and a business decision. Window is open NOW. 

[Coach Tuesday]

20 minutes ago, H2o said:

Both the Cowboys and the Chiefs are in cap limbo more so than us with the impact players they need to get re-signed. I don't see it happening. It will also depend on what Wagner is chasing, $$$ or a another ring. He could end up somewhere like Denver with Russ, or maybe he and KJ Wright both sign with LV, or Miami may come knocking at his door, possibly AZ. He will have options, but I don't think either of those will be Dallas or KC reaching out to him. 

 

Las Vegas also makes a ton of sense.  Point is, zero chance Beane (i) cuts bait on Edmunds and (ii) signs a prized FA linebacker in his 30s.  Zero.

[SoCal Deek]

This move makes way too much sense. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

This move makes way too much sense. 

Makes no sense at all.