TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:09 PM, KDIGGZ said: Because everyone is celebrating and it's disgusting. It's all over the news today like this is something good. We set an international arms dealer free in exchange for a tall drug addict who hates the US. Just remember that if it was you, nobody would care because you aren't a 7 foot lesbian who can play basketball. We would never hear from you again. Expand Dang dude, that's funny 😂 And cold! It's true, but it's cold. And funny 😂 7 ft tall lesbian 🤣🤣🤣 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:09 PM, KDIGGZ said: Because everyone is celebrating and it's disgusting. It's all over the news today like this is something good. We set an international arms dealer free in exchange for a tall drug addict who hates the US. Just remember that if it was you, nobody would care because you aren't a 7 foot lesbian who can play basketball. We would never hear from you again. Expand Oh brother
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:16 PM, Tiberius said: Oh brother Expand Could you imagine, the special kind of thought processes it would take, as and American. In today's geo political climate. To get on a plane to Russia. With weed in your luggage. That's special. Extra special 1
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) On 12/8/2022 at 2:12 PM, BillStime said: Why do you hate yourself so much? Expand Do you agree this was an equitable exchange? I thought you hated guns. Edited December 8, 2022 by Chef Jim 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:20 PM, TSOL said: Could you imagine, the special kind of thought processes it would take, as and American. In today's geo political climate. To get on a plane to Russia. With weed in your luggage. That's special. Extra special Expand Oh, it was stupid. Not as stupid as stealing top secret documents from the WH, but stupid still
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:21 PM, Chef Jim said: Do you agree this was an equitable exchange? I thought you hated guns. Expand You make the trade that’s on the table and bring an American home 1
TSOL Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:25 PM, Tiberius said: Oh, it was stupid. Not as stupid as stealing top secret documents from the WH, but stupid still Expand Deflection? She was traded for an international arms dealer. That being said, America doesn't leave its own behind (for the most part) and I'm happy for that. 1
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 My biggest issue with this is the fact that an American Marine, who was wrongfully convicted of espionage, that the United States has also admitted was a wrongful conviction is staying in jail to rot. Griner was not wrongfully detained. She did bring an illegal substance into the country, admitted to it, and pled guilty. Do I think her punishment is harsh and wouldn't be as bad if she wasn't a prominent figure in the United States? Absolutely. However, she should have been put on the backburner before Paul Whelan got released. I guess he wasn't woke enough. I'm also no longer interested in Biden or anybody associated with this deal to ever talk about gun control again. Viktor Bout is nicknamed the "Merchant of Death" for a reason. 2 1
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:18 PM, BillsFanNC said: Expand No word from Julie?
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:25 PM, Tiberius said: Oh, it was stupid. Not as stupid as stealing top secret documents from the WH, but stupid still Expand Also not as stupid as bringing up Trump and the classified documents into this discussion.
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:26 PM, BillyBilliams said: My biggest issue with this is the fact that an American Marine, who was wrongfully convicted of espionage, that the United States has also admitted was a wrongful conviction is staying in jail to rot. Griner was not wrongfully detained. She did bring an illegal substance into the country, admitted to it, and pled guilty. Do I think her punishment is harsh and wouldn't be as bad if she wasn't a prominent figure in the United States? Absolutely. However, she should have been put on the backburner before Paul Whelan got released. I guess he wasn't woke enough. I'm also no longer interested in Biden or anybody associated with this deal to ever talk about gun control again. Viktor Bout is nicknamed the "Merchant of Death" for a reason. Expand It's too bad Russia wasn't willing to release both but remind us - what year did Paul Whelan get arrested in Russia?
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:34 PM, BillStime said: It's too bad Russia wasn't willing to release both but remind us - what year did Paul Whelan get arrested in Russia? Expand He got detained in 2018 and got a 16 year sentence in 2020. He's been detained for 4 years and has 12 years to go. I understand they weren't willing to do a 2 for 1, and it makes sense. However, they wanted Bout back really bad. I'm going to assume they were offered one or the other, and Biden & co chose Griner.
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:37 PM, BillyBilliams said: He got detained in 2018 and got a 16 year sentence in 2020. He's been detained for 4 years and has 12 years to go. I understand they weren't willing to do a 2 for 1, and it makes sense. However, they wanted Bout back really bad. I'm going to assume they were offered one or the other, and Biden & co chose Griner. Expand And who was POTUS in 2018?
Chef Jim Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:26 PM, BillStime said: You make the trade that’s on the table and bring an American home Expand No you don’t. You negotiate an equitable swap or walk away from the negotiations. On 12/8/2022 at 2:38 PM, BillStime said: And who was POTUS in 2018? Expand 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:38 PM, Chef Jim said: No you don’t. You negotiate an equitable swap or walk away from the negotiations. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄 Expand Yep, how dare Biden not do what Trump had two full years to do on his own watch? Idiots
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:38 PM, BillStime said: And who was POTUS in 2018? Expand How is that relevant? Negotiations didn't start until this year. But if you are trying with the "gotcha" moment, I believe if there was a swap to make at that time, I believe it should have happened. Viktor Bout is one of the most dangerous men on the face of this Earth. I think the return the US got was significantly underwhelming. 1
BillStime Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:45 PM, BillyBilliams said: How is that relevant? Negotiations didn't start until this year. But if you are trying with the "gotcha" moment, I believe if there was a swap to make at that time, I believe it should have happened. Viktor Bout is one of the most dangerous men on the face of this Earth. I think the return the US got was significantly underwhelming. Expand Why didn't Trump get Paul Whelan home?
BillyBilliams Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:46 PM, BillStime said: Why didn't Trump get Paul Whelan home? Expand Why does that matter? Why are you worrying about Trump? The deal was done today. The same reason why Obama didn't close down GITMO (his campaign promise). There potentially could have not been a deal to be made. He could have also thought that Viktor Bout was too dangerous to want to be set free. You need to look at context. This isn't hard to figure out. The Russians gave the United States a lesbian, black, WNBA player that beat her wife, and brought illegal vape canabis oil to their country, and plead guilty. They traded an international arms dealer that would sell advanced weapons to people in civil wars (many times sold them to both sides of the conflicts/wars). How is that remotely an even trade? What makes you think he won't do this again, but this time in the comfort of his home in Russia?
T&C Posted December 8, 2022 Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 2:45 PM, BillyBilliams said: How is that relevant? Negotiations didn't start until this year. But if you are trying with the "gotcha" moment, I believe if there was a swap to make at that time, I believe it should have happened. Viktor Bout is one of the most dangerous men on the face of this Earth. I think the return the US got was significantly underwhelming. Expand It's like we traded a gold coin for a carnival token.
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