Jordan Davis is unreal

[Don Otreply]

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

He’s faster than any of our Defensive Ends who made Mahomes look like Lamar.  

 

Actually Rousseau ran a 4.68 with a 1.57 10 yard split versus Davis 4.78 and 1.68.    Basham ran a 4.64.  

 

In the open field it doesn't matter if you weigh 270 or 340.    

 

Davis has to excel in tight quarters to be great.........and much of what makes Davis seem special.......like running "track fast" for a fat guy.........isn't functionally very useful at his position.............he's going to have to have a lot of want-to to excel between the tackles when he is fighting a leverage disadvantage.

1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Convert this kid to TE. 😁

 

He couldn't block well enough to play TE.....pads too high.😉

[BarleyNY]

20 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Did they take Lotulelei out against KC?

 

Nope. 58% the first game and 43% when he was playing poorly after Covid.

 

They play our space eater even against mostly pass teams. Not generally on passing downs, but they do play the space eaters.

 

In 2018 when healthy, against New England with Brady he played 53% and 47%. The whole year he played less than 44% in only three games. With the Bills Lotulelei has never played less than 47%, excluding his opt-out. And if they draft Jordan Davis it will be to be the new, available and hopefully improved  young Lotulelei.

 

Our DL all platoons, pass rushers included. That's how they're used and yet they still draft DLs in the 1st.

This is why I can see the Bills talking themselves into Davis at 25.  There’s just too much risk with him in particular for me, but some team will ignore the red flags.  If it’s the bills, then I hope I’m wrong.

 

The specific red flags I’m talking about or his lack of conditioning in college where he could physically dominate his opposition and his weight fluctuations.  He was at Georgia so it’s not like he didn’t have the best nutritionists and trainers available.  

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I understand the rotation but Davis literally said his job is not to play on 3rd down, it’s to get to 3rd Down. 

That’s a great line.  Thank god teams don’t pass on first and second downs these days. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

He was absolutely asked to rush the passer, he just didn’t do it well. Now one could say he’s an asset to simply push the pocket, but I think it was Kyle Crabbs on TDN who was saying he really doesn’t have the first step to truly affect the QB enough to say he’s worth that high pick just for that element. 
 

No one was surprised he lost 20 Lb for the combine and lit it up. He’s always been huge and explosive. He just didn’t show that consistently on film in games. His own admission was that he was not in good enough shape for the SEC championship game to keep up with the speed of Alabama. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[atlbillsfan1975]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I understand the rotation but Davis literally said his job is not to play on 3rd down, it’s to get to 3rd Down. 

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[Your Brown Eye]

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

 

You are up in your feels.

 

That's not how you make good decisions.

 

And I wouldn't obsess about Henry anymore........he had one long run in that Bills game but his play production dropped off A LOT prior to his injury........barely above average ypc.    After all that hard mileage his trajectory is downward.

[Alphadawg7]

If you want to draft Davis to help our run defense and eat space, great, that is what his film suggests he will be.  Someone who can replace Star at some point either this year or next.  

 

If you are obsessing over his 40 time as if that means he will be some QB sack specialist at the next level, then I question how much you understand the DT position and what makes them most effective, because 40 time isn't nearly as important as some other traits.  

 

Anyone who says a player will do this or that at the next level before stepping on the field is a fool, and I am no fool.  So I am not going to say he can't be coached up to get to the QB a lot more than he did in college.  However, I will say that its not common to see a guy come into the NFL and start excelling at something he didn't excel at in college.  Especially one whose played for a big time program and high quality coaches.  Better approach with Davis is to assume he will help your run D and eat some space, anything else would be a bonus.  

 

You want a run stuffing space eater, then makes sense to draft him.  You want a penetrating DT like Donald, then odds are not great that is what you are getting because that is not what his film suggests, even with that straight line speed (something a DT rarely uses).  

 

Personally I see him going anywhere from mid first to early second, which is where he was slated before his 40 time.  I just don't think the 40 time changes much for him, it sure doesn't show up on his film. 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

That is the question right there isn’t it…, 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Don Otreply

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

He may be wrong, he’s basing it off film. he didn’t compare him to Dareus though. Not sure where that comes in?  But again, if the film shows otherwise then he won’t be there at 25 anyway. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

 

 

Dareus was considered an inspirational story of overcoming hardship coming out of Alabama.    There was no evidence of any potential motivation issues with him whatsoever.    And of course he was a much, much greater prospect than Davis......which is why he went high in a loaded top 10.   Dareus was a play maker not just a big body who made no plays but showed lots of track speed.

 

We know you are a Georgia fan and they have a bunch of great athletes in this draft but you are showing your lack of overall perspective here.

[Motor26]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dareus was considered an inspirational story of overcoming hardship coming out of Alabama.    There was no evidence of any potential motivation issues with him whatsoever.    And of course he was a much, much greater prospect than Davis......which is why he went high in a loaded top 10.   Dareus was a play maker not just a big body who made no plays but showed lots of track speed.

 

We know you are a Georgia fan and they have a bunch of great athletes in this draft but you are showing your lack of overall perspective here.

Dareus when motivated and in shape was incredible to see a man his size do the things he did. Really felt bad for the guy for all the tragedy he had to endure in his life. But man this is bringing back memories of how much of a stud he was…

[TheFunPolice]

This guy sounds like a create a player DT I used to make in Madden!

 

I'd like to see him add 10-20 pounds, but we can take care of that with a few trips to some local Buffalo eateries

Edited March 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

It’s not about needing Davis. They  have a need at DT. They can address the need at DT without drafting Davis in the 1st round. There are arguably better prospects at the position in the draft alone. If they don’t address it at all and the defense gets run on, the fans have a right to b-word about it but its not just about this one guy.

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s not about needing Davis. They  have a need at DT. They can address the need at DT without drafting Davis in the 1st round. There are arguably better prospects at the position in the draft alone. If they don’t address it at all and the defense gets run on, the fans have a right to b-word about it but its not just about this one guy.

 

 

DT is the position on the field where "want to" is the most important part of the evaluation, IMO.

 

You need baseline talent.........but ceilings and floors on top DT prospects tend to be the players with the greatest separation.

 

I like drafting them at a point where they are incentivized to play hard from day one..........we will see if the draft process plays out this way but there are a lot of physically capable/talented DT prospects that project going in day 3 and I think the Bills need to come away with 1 or 2 of them.

[cale]

On 3/5/2022 at 4:17 PM, jkeerie said:

I actually like DeVonte Wyatt.  He beat Jordan's time and he can get after the QB.

 

Agreed. Draft this kid and move him all over line. I like him better than Davis. Davis will have a great career. But Wyatt is more versatile.

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, cale said:

 

Agreed. Draft this kid and move him all over line. I like him better than Davis. Davis will have a great career. But Wyatt is more versatile.

Jordan Davis played at 360 at Georgia (they wanted him at 325 but he had weight issues), but was down to 340 at the combine.  If he could stay there or maybe a bit lighter, he could probably be a 3 down lineman.  I think after his combine performance, he likely will be gone by 25.  

[billsfan89]

16 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

 

I don't think he will be there at pick 25. I think the Chargers or Ravens will use him to bolster their run defense and hope that his tremendous physical profile can be formed into a better pass rusher at the pro level. If he is the Bills pick at pick 25 I won't hate it. The Bills could use more bulk up the middle, I just don't think he will be there at pick 25.

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Jordan Davis played at 360 at Georgia (they wanted him at 325 but he had weight issues), but was down to 340 at the combine.  If he could stay there or maybe a bit lighter, he could probably be a 3 down lineman.  I think after his combine performance, he likely will be gone by 25.  

Apparently the issue is that he’s fluctuated from 340 to 380 and hadn’t sustained a particular weight. Not a surprise he came in “light” to the combine. He can still move fast at his playing weight so it wouldn’t matter to me if he was 360 but just a matter of whether he can and wants to manage the position and weight expectations of the team that takes him.