Cole Beasley given permission to seek trade

[Chaos]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Respectfully disagree.  I think GMs who should consider making a play for Beasley include teams with a young QB to develop, who might take a step with a savvy veteran "always open" player like Beasley to throw to.

 

But as for the market you name, I guess the Broncos, Chargers, and Ravens would fit the bill. 

The Ravens are not in super bowl contention. The don't have a QB who can stay healthy for a sufficient number of games. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Chaos

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

He did it with Russell Bodine and Marshall Newhouse and Eli Harold granted all were bottom of roster low salary guys.

 

Tyrod Taylor

AJ McCarron

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The Ravens are not in super bowl contention. The don't have a QB who can stay healthy for a sufficient number of games. 

 

Oh, Stop.  Jackson was inactive for the final game of the season in 2019 (after they made the playoffs) and on the Covid list 1 game in 2020.

 

Other than that, he missed 1 game due to a non-covid illness and 4 games due to injury this season. 

 

Josh Allen missed 4 games due to injury one year, and arguably should perhaps have missed another couple games after Las Vegas in 2020.  What's next, "we don't have a QB who can stay healthy for a sufficient number of games"?

 

[Tuco]

4 hours ago, benderbender said:

Forgive my ignorance, but did announcing this do anything but hurt our chances of trading him? Everyone knew his cap hit, but now other teams know for certain he’s going to be cut. They don’t have to deal for him, they’ll just wait for him to be cut.

You need to understand the reason for giving "permission to seek a trade."

 

Yes, everybody knows he's going to be cut. They knew that before he was given "permission."

And yes, everybody knows his cap hit. Also before.

And no, nobody is going to trade for him at his current cap hit. Everybody knows that.

 

Now consider, if some team wanted to trade for Beasley at his current 1 year contract and cap hit, they would just trade for him. The Bills don't need to give Beasley permission for that. Permission to seek out a trade allows another team to go ahead and make a deal with Beas before the trade. Maybe offer him $3 or $4 mil a a year - or maybe a 2 year deal. If they can come to an agreement and give the Bills a small amount in trade, then all 3 parties are happy. The new team gets Beas without having to outbid other teams in free agency. Beas gets to go to a team where he wants to be at a mutually agreed on price. And the Bills get whatever compensation they can for a guy they're going to cut anyway.

 

The catch to all this is, Beas and his agent are not allowed to discuss any type of new contract with another team while still under contract with the Bills. Unless the Bills give them permission.

 

So this way everything can be hashed out ahead of time. Maybe the Bills said to Beas we'd love to keep you but your age, our cap situation, etc. means we can only do so for $2 mil this year. Allowing Beas to seek a trade allows him to go out and gauge other teams interest in how much they're willing to pay. And if they reach a deal that's enough more than the Bills offer, and if the team agrees to give the Bills whatever (anything is better than nothing if we cut him - even just a 7th in 2023 0r '24), then everybody benefits.

 

And this avoids the alternative. If the Bills wind up cutting Beas because he thinks he can get more than the $2 mil (or whatever) the Bills are offering, then he goes out and finds out there really isn't as much market for him as he thought, then Beas has to consider re-signing with Buff for the $2 mil (or whatever) they offered. Giving him permission to seek a trade (gauge his marketability) is much more about letting Beas decide whether or not to accept the Bills pay cut offer (if there really is one - " . . . though GM Brandon Beane told me late yesterday the team would welcome him back and 'no door has been closed' . . . ") before being cut, than it is actually expecting a team to give up much for him.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Tuco

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

The Ravens are not in super bowl contention. The don't have a QB who can stay healthy for a sufficient number of games. 

Ravens have 20-1 odds from the betting world. This does not fit the definition of "contender".  It fits the definition of "a little better than a random 1/32 chance"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, Tuco said:

You need to understand the reason for giving "permission to seek a trade."

 

Yes, everybody knows he's going to be cut. They knew that before he was given "permission."

And yes, everybody knows his cap hit. Also before.

And no, nobody is going to trade for him at his current cap hit. Everybody knows that.

 

Now consider, if some team wanted to trade for Beasley at his current 1 year contract and cap hit, they would just trade for him. The Bills don't need to give Beasley permission for that. Permission to seek out a trade allows another team to go ahead and make a deal with Beas before the trade. Maybe offer him $3 or $4 mil a a year - or maybe a 2 year deal. If they can come to an agreement and give the Bills a small amount in trade, then all 3 parties are happy. The new team gets Beas without having to outbid other teams in free agency. Beas gets to go to a team where he wants to be at a mutually agreed on price. And the Bills get whatever compensation they can for a guy they're going to cut anyway.

 

The catch to all this is, Beas and his agent are not allowed to discuss any type of new contract with another team while still under contract with the Bills. Unless the Bills give them permission.

 

So this way everything can be hashed out ahead of time. Maybe the Bills said to Beas we'd love to keep you but your age, our cap situation, etc. means we can only do so for $2 mil this year. Allowing Beas to seek a trade allows him to go out and gauge other teams interest in how much they're willing to pay. And if they reach a deal that's enough more than the Bills offer, and if the team agrees to give the Bills whatever (anything is better than nothing if we cut him - even just a 7th in 2023 0r '24), then everybody benefits.

 

And this avoids the alternative. If the Bills wind up cutting Beas because he thinks he can get more than the $2 mil (or whatever) the Bills are offering, then he goes out and finds out there really isn't as much market for him as he thought, then Beas has to consider re-signing with Buff for the $2 mil (or whatever) they offered. Giving him permission to seek a trade (gauge his marketability) is much more about letting Beas decide whether or not to accept the Bills pay cut offer (if there really is one - " . . . though GM Brandon Beane told me late yesterday the team would welcome him back and 'no door has been closed' . . . ") before being cut, than it is actually expecting a team to give up much for him.

 

I didn't think about the "pre-negotiate new contract" aspect of the permission to seek trade.  Good points.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Ravens have 20-1 odds from the betting world. This does not fit the definition of "contender".  It fits the definition of "a little better than a random 1/32 chance"

 

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Ravens have 20-1 odds from the betting world. This does not fit the definition of "contender".  It fits the definition of "a little better than a random 1/32 chance"

 

 

No.

 

The Ravens have the 8th highest odds in the league right now. They are absolutely contenders. Not among the few favorites, but absolutely contenders.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Who is going to give up a pick for a 33 year old wideout on a one year $7 million dollar deal when it's already been advertised that the team he is on asked him to take a pay cut?   Any GM with any common sense will wait for the Bills to release Beasley and save the pick and the money.    Personally, I think Cole has lost a step, but I also think his current contract is right around where he should be paid.  That said, a team would be stupid to give up a pick for the guy given his age. 

 

Trading for a guy - if you really want him - has at least two major advantages over waiting for him to be cut.

 

First, sometimes teams you think are going to cut a guy don't. They could re-negotiate a cheaper deal, for instance.

 

Second, when you trade for a guy you make sure all 31 other teams can't slip in front of you. If you wait for him to be cut, you're one of 32 teams competing for him (it happens that teams cut a guy and then get him back cheaper, happens pretty often, actually).

 

And as Tuco pointed out above, giving Beasley permission to talk to these teams means his agent could work out a salary that might be better than the Bills want to give him.

 

And he's not getting $7m in cash from the Bills this year. His cap hit is $7.6, but he would receive $5.9M from us in cash, or from his new team if he were traded under his current contract. And if nobody wants to give that, his agent will undoubtedly find out which team interested in trading for him would be willing to give Beasley the most cash.

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

The Ravens are not in super bowl contention. The don't have a QB who can stay healthy for a sufficient number of games. 

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley.  They were decimated by injuries last year and are absolutely a contender if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Ravens have 20-1 odds from the betting world. This does not fit the definition of "contender".  It fits the definition of "a little better than a random 1/32 chance"

They're a contender at those odds.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley.  They were decimated by injuries last year and are absolutely a contender if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

They're a contender at those odds.

Even if Lamar starts all 17 games, they are a borderline WC team.  

Edited March 12, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley.  They were decimated by injuries last year and are absolutely a contender if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

They're a contender at those odds.

 

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Even if Lamar starts all 17 games, they are a borderline WC team.  

 

Lamont is a great regular season player when healthy, but he will never lead a team deep into the playoffs.  He's proven both of those things.  As long as he is their QB, the Ravens are not a threat.  He's just not that good.

[GunnerBill]

Still no interest? What a shock. He is about to get cut. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Even if Lamar starts all 17 games, they are a borderline WC team.  

They started 5-1 last year with wins over the Chiefs, Colts, and Chargers.  Injuries then mounted and they could never recover.  It would be an upset with their roster if they didn't either win the division or make a Wild Card spot. Right now I have the Bills and Chiefs in the top tier.  The next tier is the Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos.  The rest don't have the QB's to make a serious run.

 

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

 

Lamont is a great regular season player when healthy, but he will never lead a team deep into the playoffs.  He's proven both of those things.  As long as he is their QB, the Ravens are not a threat.  He's just not that good.

Too small of a sample size as he's only been in the league four years.  Numerous QB's have won the Super Bowl after early struggles in the playoffs.  He did win one playoff game coming from behind smashing those two narratives.  I don't consider myself a Lamar defender but I feel like other fans are underestimating him falling into the lazy narratives that we had to see Josh overcome.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They started 5-1 last year with wins over the Chiefs, Colts, and Chargers.  Injuries then mounted and they could never recover.  It would be an upset with their roster if they didn't either win the division or make a Wild Card spot. Right now I have the Bills and Chiefs in the top tier.  The next tier is the Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos.  The rest don't have the QB's to make a serious run.

I don’t know…

 

In 12 starts, Jackson had 16 TD passes to 13 INT’s.  Defenses are doing a better job keeping him in the pocket….

He has been pretty bad in the playoffs in 

3 seasons.

[HOUSE]

To much twitter nonsense with the fans, -Pass

[BillsShredder83]

Mistake letting him and McKenzie go at the same time. Rookie wrs hsve been having better success, but I'd rather not hinge our success on a rookie.

Bease keeps the chains moving reliably, critical to our offense, especially with a weak running game. I don't want the offense taking steps back 😫 

[Gugny]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They started 5-1 last year with wins over the Chiefs, Colts, and Chargers.  Injuries then mounted and they could never recover.  It would be an upset with their roster if they didn't either win the division or make a Wild Card spot. Right now I have the Bills and Chiefs in the top tier.  The next tier is the Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos.  The rest don't have the QB's to make a serious run.

 

Too small of a sample size as he's only been in the league four years.  Numerous QB's have won the Super Bowl after early struggles in the playoffs.  He did win one playoff game coming from behind smashing those two narratives.  I don't consider myself a Lamar defender but I feel like other fans are underestimating him falling into the lazy narratives that we had to see Josh overcome.

 

You make a good point about other QBs achieving success after many years.  But after his amazing MVP season, he has regressed in each of the two following years.  If the team ever goes far with him under center, it will be a run like the Dilfer Ravens and the Manning Broncos; where the QB meant next to nothing.

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley.  They were decimated by injuries last year and are absolutely a contender if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

They're a contender at those odds.

in the sense that all 32 teams are contenders, yes they are a contender.  A 5% chance to win is not really a contender.  Put another way if the 2021 Bills with Josh Allen playing at the level he did could not advance to the championship game with Beasley, it is not reasonable to think Beasley would put the Ravens over the top. Its quite absurd actually. 

[Simon]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley. 

 

Didn't he just go 0-4 as a starter?

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Even if Lamar misses a few games you can still win with Tyler Huntley.  They were decimated by injuries last year and are absolutely a contender if they can stay relatively healthy.

 

They're a contender at those odds.

Huntley is a FA. Speaking of that….