Bills interested in signing Rob Gronkowski, per Tim Graham

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Gronk is NOT the missing link.  
 

well he is a missing link but I don’t want to repeat what I said pages ago

 

I mean we currently have no TE2, I'm not counting a guy who has been a healthy scratch in Sweeney.

[BillsfaninSB]

46 minutes ago, Greg S said:

I don't know if we will sign Gronk but I think I found the Bills next punter.

 

As long as he is a good holder. 

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I’m going to hope that’s a joke and that  you don’t actually believe a dislike of Gronkowski is in any way analogous to helmet stickers opposing police brutality and institutional discrimination.

 

This shouldn’t be that complicated. It’s ok if you like him and it’s ok if you don’t.

 

 

You are thinking of "End Racism".    "Stop Hate" is a much broader message about the divisiveness caused by indulging hate.   

 

Here is a local success story who most of us are old enough to be a parent to who had one isolated incident 5 years ago where nobody was hurt and he paid the price for it and apologized and we have people here who are glorifying hating him like it's a badge of honor.  

 

If the debate is whether Gronkowski can still play or if any TE is worth $7M-$9M is........then that's one thing............but dredging up a play that resulted in no harm from years ago and insisting that your team should never acquire anyone from a certain other team(as many have) is obviously placing foolhardy limits on team management in a highly competitive league.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not saying he isn’t. I don’t know the man and I doubt you do either. But…my point remains that veterans are going to need to be vetted. Especially those that are clearly at the end of their football life span. I remember saying the same thing back when Rex was bringing in veteran players. 

 

Ok so we can expect "Put me down as a solid NO!" on all veteran free agents who might say they are coming to Buffalo because they "want to win".

 

Will be looking forward to your disclaimer for every such free agent............not just the obvious guys with deep local ties,  huge production in 2021 but also with HOF credentials and a handful of SB rings types.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Gronk is NOT the missing link.  
 

well he is a missing link but I don’t want to repeat what I said pages ago

 

 

No one is the missing link but improving the roster overall is and Gronk makes this team better and thats all that matters.

 

 

[Bongo]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are thinking of "End Racism".    "Stop Hate" is a much broader message about the divisiveness caused by indulging hate.   

 

Here is a local success story who most of us are old enough to be a parent to who had one isolated incident 5 years ago where nobody was hurt and he paid the price for it and apologized and we have people here who are glorifying hating him like it's a badge of honor.  

 

If the debate is whether Gronkowski can still play or if any TE is worth $7M-$9M is........then that's one thing............but dredging up a play that resulted in no harm from years ago and insisting that your team should never acquire anyone from a certain other team(as many have) is obviously placing foolhardy limits on team management in a highly competitive league.

Again, I will only speak for myself but I don’t think it is as much about glorifying hate as questioning character based on his action.

 

To me, the best argument you’ve made is about forgiveness. You are right. Forgiveness is a powerful thing that we should all strive for. It is a terrific virtue.

 

But using your very good analogy earlier of a parent watching their daughter fight with their son-in-law, we see that fight differently. And that’s ok. You view that as a spat or heated debate. Given that, I completely understand why you take the side you are taking. I have a daughter and actually told her high school boyfriend that she was strong willed and he would need to stand his ground in a discussion if he really believed in what he was saying. So yes, I would forgive him if they argued.

 

But what I saw Gronk do, in my eyes, was not walking in and catching my daughter and son-in-law arguing. It was more akin to walking in and seeing him walk up behind her and cold #### her because dinner wasn’t on the table when he wanted it to be. And if that happened, I would find it very hard, admittedly, to find that forgiveness. And in this instance, the “daughter” and “boyfriend” aren’t even married yet. So even if I could find some semblance of forgiveness, I sure wouldn’t be pushing her into his arms or dragging them to the altar no matter how good a provider he could be for her. 
 

So in the end, I just find what he did much more reprehensible and character questioning than you do. So I can understand why your view is different than mine. Hopefully you are able to do the same.

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Ok so we can expect "Put me down as a solid NO!" on all veteran free agents who might say they are coming to Buffalo because they "want to win".

 

Will be looking forward to your disclaimer for every such free agent............not just the obvious guys with deep local ties,  huge production in 2021 but also with HOF credentials and a handful of SB rings types.  

Oh come on. I have no idea what the drumbeat of his ties to Buffalo have to do with any of this. So what? I’m more interested in players that are little less long in the tooth. Gronk is one bad stretching routine from being out for multiple weeks at a time. I’ve never been a fan of the rent a player mentality. 

[BigAl2526]

Gronk is talented and probably has enough left in the tank to be a valuable addition, but I sort of doubt he's a process guy.  He's not known for being real diligent in practice and he's clearly been a "me guy" in recent years.  I would guess and hope that adding Gronk to the roster would be dependent on him being able to demonstrate some kind of commitment to being a good team player.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Bongo said:

Again, I will only speak for myself but I don’t think it is as much about glorifying hate as questioning character based on his action.

 

To me, the best argument you’ve made is about forgiveness. You are right. Forgiveness is a powerful thing that we should all strive for. It is a terrific virtue.

 

But using your very good analogy earlier of a parent watching their daughter fight with their son-in-law, we see that fight differently. And that’s ok. You view that as a spat or heated debate. Given that, I completely understand why you take the side you are taking. I have a daughter and actually told her high school boyfriend that she was strong willed and he would need to stand his ground in a discussion if he really believed in what he was saying. So yes, I would forgive him if they argued.

 

But what I saw Gronk do, in my eyes, was not walking in and catching my daughter and son-in-law arguing. It was more akin to walking in and seeing him walk up behind her and cold #### her because dinner wasn’t on the table when he wanted it to be. And if that happened, I would find it very hard, admittedly, to find that forgiveness. And in this instance, the “daughter” and “boyfriend” aren’t even married yet. So even if I could find some semblance of forgiveness, I sure wouldn’t be pushing her into his arms or dragging them to the altar no matter how good a provider he could be for her. 
 

So in the end, I just find what he did much more reprehensible and character questioning than you do. So I can understand why your view is different than mine. Hopefully you are able to do the same.

 

 

Here's the thing about that analogy...........the NFL is an extremely violent sport..........what Gronk did was illegal but it wasn't much different than what happened to receivers(or in this case interceptors) who fell down in the middle of the field with the ball for about the first 90 years of the NFL.

 

It's not walking up and coldcocking a woman.

 

Maybe if your daughter and fiancée were always physically assaulting each other then it doesn't seem so outrageously out of context when one of them cheap shots the other.    The domestic environment is much different that a violent sport like football and it wasn't the intention of the analogy to equate the two.

 

And context is ALSO important......White was all over Gronk........he was dragging behind Gronks stretched shirt and then faced him up and interfered with him again as the ball arrived..........it was a clearly missed hold and then a missed PI................and as Gronk said.......frustration boiled over and White was there with his ill-gotten gain on the ground and Gronk took a cheap shot a fraction of a second after one of his teammates touched White to make sure he was down.    

 

If Dawson Knox did the same thing to JC Jackson the same people hating Gronk would be insisting that he shouldn't even be suspended because the officials caused his act of frustration by blowing two obvious penalties on the same play...........therefore causing the melt down.    

 

That's how fans operate in the moment.........but for chrissakes 5 years later people should have some better perspective and be able to get over it. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Gronk is talented and probably has enough left in the tank to be a valuable addition, but I sort of doubt he's a process guy.  He's not known for being real diligent in practice and he's clearly been a "me guy" in recent years.  I would guess and hope that adding Gronk to the roster would be dependent on him being able to demonstrate some kind of commitment to being a good team player.

 

I'd love to see a link to the highlighted...........his reputation is quite the opposite...........all business and excellent preparation/study habits but a guy who enjoys himself fully in his free time.    

[Bongo]

51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Here's the thing about that analogy...........the NFL is an extremely violent sport..........what Gronk did was illegal but it wasn't much different than what happened to receivers(or in this case interceptors) who fell down in the middle of the field with the ball for about the first 90 years of the NFL.

 

It's not walking up and coldcocking a woman.

 

Maybe if your daughter and fiancée were always physically assaulting each other then it doesn't seem so outrageously out of context when one of them cheap shots the other.    The domestic environment is much different that a violent sport like football and it wasn't the intention of the analogy to equate the two.

 

And context is ALSO important......White was all over Gronk........he was dragging behind Gronks stretched shirt and then faced him up and interfered with him again as the ball arrived..........it was a clearly missed hold and then a missed PI................and as Gronk said.......frustration boiled over and White was there with his ill-gotten gain on the ground and Gronk took a cheap shot a fraction of a second after one of his teammates touched White to make sure he was down.    

 

If Dawson Knox did the same thing to JC Jackson the same people hating Gronk would be insisting that he shouldn't even be suspended because the officials caused his act of frustration by blowing two obvious penalties on the same play...........therefore causing the melt down.    

 

That's how fans operate in the moment.........but for chrissakes 5 years later people should have some better perspective and be able to get over it. 

You are correct. Context is important. Gronk was all over White earlier in the game, pushing off and shoving White aside, and no call was made. But White didn’t “sucker punch” Gronk. They were going at it in a physical game as you say. But when entitled Gronk didn’t get the call his way when the shoe was on the other foot, He responded in a cheap, sucker punch way which, again, showed his character in my eyes. How often do you see guys dive on the back of somebody else’s neck after a bad call? You don’t. I’ve seen it once. It was a cheap, punk move. It was not a normal, common response in a physical game. It was not getting in his face or giving him a shove. 
 

And I wasn’t suggesting the husband and wife analogy literally. I was using the same analogy you used earlier in the thread to illustrate the difference in how I viewed his actions. 

 

But like I said previously, you see it differently and we could just agree to disagree. But you are incapable of that. And what is truly dripping with irony is that you use the exceptional values of forgiveness and stopping the hate as pillars of your argument. Yet you use virtually every response to someone who disagrees with you to name call, deride, look down on and use your eye-rolling emojis to cut them down and attempt to act superior. Are those virtues just convenient tools you use for the sake of arguing or virtues you plan on exhibiting someday? Stop the hate, Badol. Maybe I “should have some better perspective” but you certainly aren’t wearing your hypocrisy well. 

[Don Otreply]

Gronks big dufus routine is a facade, by all accounts he has stashed all his pay checks for the most part and lived on the interest and endorsements.  He is supposedly very financially astute, this from the little I have read.  At the right price he would be an above average contributor for the team, I still believe he has no interest in playing for the Bills. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

35 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Gronks big dufus routine is a facade, by all accounts he has stashed all his pay checks for the most part and lived on the interest and endorsements.  He is supposedly very financially astute, this from the little I have read.  At the right price he would be an above average contributor for the team, I still believe he has no interest in playing for the Bills. 

No facade.  

Who uses the SB trophy as a bat and dents it?  
 

To the last ……. 
I’m still waiting for someone in the profession to actually ask him.   

[CapeBreton]

I’m going to be pretty disappointed if Gronk doesn’t come to Buffalo. Seems like the perfect fit for him unless he wants to just retire. 

[muppy]

44 minutes ago, Bongo said:

You are correct. Context is important. Gronk was all over White earlier in the game, pushing off and shoving White aside, and no call was made. But White didn’t “sucker punch” Gronk. They were going at it in a physical game as you say. But when entitled Gronk didn’t get the call his way when the shoe was on the other foot, He responded in a cheap, sucker punch way which, again, showed his character in my eyes. How often do you see guys dive on the back of somebody else’s neck after a bad call? You don’t. I’ve seen it once. It was a cheap, punk move. It was not a normal, common response in a physical game. It was not getting in his face or giving him a shove. 
 

And I wasn’t suggesting the husband and wife analogy literally. I was using the same analogy you used earlier in the thread to illustrate the difference in how I viewed his actions. 

 

But like I said previously, you see it differently and we could just agree to disagree. But you are incapable of that. And what is truly dripping with irony is that you use the exceptional values of forgiveness and stopping the hate as pillars of your argument. Yet you use virtually every response to someone who disagrees with you to name call, deride, look down on and use your eye-rolling emojis to cut them down and attempt to act superior. Are those virtues just convenient tools you use for the sake of arguing or virtues you plan on exhibiting someday? Stop the hate, Badol. Maybe I “should have some better perspective” but you certainly aren’t wearing your hypocrisy well. 

excellent post. Noone is perfect and we all have room for growth in our reactions to things we see and how they affect our thinking. As a matter of fact I see how my long held bitterness over that cheap shot  be put in the past and move on Especially if he is possibly going to be joining our team. If Tre White had been maimed or even killed the same principle of forgiveness should be (in a perfect word) given also to gronkowski as mandated by the God I believe in.  I will admit to being a Christian and having at times issues with being 1000% forgiving.  What is also Very difficult for me is to be ridiculed for Not being perfect or having a different view on things ...your post is spot on.  Especially the last paragraph. Disdainful attitude, its born from arrogance and a sense of superiority cloaked in snide laughter and cute emojis. Stop Hate Indeed @-@

[Bongo]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

As a matter of fact I see how my long held bitterness over that cheap shot  be put in the past and move on Especially if he is possibly going to be joining our team. If Tre White had been maimed or even killed the same principle of forgiveness should be (in a perfect word) given also to gronkowski as mandated by the God I believe in.  I will admit to being a Christian and having at times issues with being 1000% forgiving. 

Thanks muppy and I agree. I don’t agree with what he did but maybe it doesn’t represent the full extent of his character. Time to move on and hope he’s a better person than he showed that day. I’m certainly not perfect in any way.

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, Bongo said:

You are correct. Context is important. Gronk was all over White earlier in the game, pushing off and shoving White aside, and no call was made. But White didn’t “sucker punch” Gronk. They were going at it in a physical game as you say. But when entitled Gronk didn’t get the call his way when the shoe was on the other foot, He responded in a cheap, sucker punch way which, again, showed his character in my eyes. How often do you see guys dive on the back of somebody else’s neck after a bad call? You don’t. I’ve seen it once. It was a cheap, punk move. It was not a normal, common response in a physical game. It was not getting in his face or giving him a shove. 
 

And I wasn’t suggesting the husband and wife analogy literally. I was using the same analogy you used earlier in the thread to illustrate the difference in how I viewed his actions. 

 

But like I said previously, you see it differently and we could just agree to disagree. But you are incapable of that. And what is truly dripping with irony is that you use the exceptional values of forgiveness and stopping the hate as pillars of your argument. Yet you use virtually every response to someone who disagrees with you to name call, deride, look down on and use your eye-rolling emojis to cut them down and attempt to act superior. Are those virtues just convenient tools you use for the sake of arguing or virtues you plan on exhibiting someday? Stop the hate, Badol. Maybe I “should have some better perspective” but you certainly aren’t wearing your hypocrisy well. 

 

 

150+ career NFL games and like 8,000 career snaps and that one incident showed his character.   

 

And yes your analogy was OUTRAGEOUS..........it could scarcely have made less sense.

 

You'll just go on all day to try to find a way to rationalize it.........but there isn't a good reason to still cling to hate Gronk over what happened............it's not sensible.........just own the irrationality of it............then we can agree to agree that you are irrational. 😉

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Don Otreply]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

No facade.  

Who uses the SB trophy as a bat and dents it?  
 

To the last ……. 
I’m still waiting for someone in the profession to actually ask him.   

Drunk people…,

 

 

[Rico]

On 3/3/2022 at 6:28 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

"You can't blame them" is almost without exception a pre-cursor to justify some stupid decision that someone made.   

 

I'm not immune to emotion wrt players.........I've openly expressed my "hate" for Matthew Judon on TSW.............IMO he's been the dirtiest player in the league since he was drafted and in Josh Allen's first game as a pro he cheap shotted him several times with plays that were much more likely to cause Allen to miss time with injury than the Gronkowski flop.      

 

But unlike some of our emo's on this board,  I know the value of not letting those emotions control me.    Judon gets no real estate in my mind,  even when he plays the Bills.   There is nothing to gain from that other than looking weak, stupid and victimized...........and if you let your feels beat you like that in business,  well then you are REALLY f*cked.

 

So, yeah,  you CAN blame people for the state they choose to put themselves in. 

 

The hate for Gronk is for a heat of the moment incident that is entirely inconsistent with his entire, distinguished HOF career.........and it's something that happened 4 and a half years ago and was addressed with both an apology and the loss of the player to the team for a game and the player losing a $300K game check.   What more do you want for something that resulted in no injury?

 

Being perpetually mad about something that happened to someone else and resulted in no harm is ridiculous to me...........but I get a lot of laughs out of ridiculous stuff like that.    People who can't keep their sh*t together can be very entertaining if nothing else. 

I still hate Dale Hunter though, that will never change.

[Bongo]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

150+ career NFL games and like 8,000 career snaps and that one incident showed his character.   

 

And yes your analogy was OUTRAGEOUS..........it could scarcely have made less sense.

 

You'll just go on all day to try to find a way to rationalize it.........but there isn't a good reason to still cling to hate Gronk over what happened............it's not sensible.........just own the irrationality of it............then we can agree to agree that you are irrational. 😉

 

 

There you are. Knew you couldn’t give up an opportunity to display your true colors. I’ll accept my irrationality and you accept that you are a supreme hypocrite. And please don’t stop thinking that when you make all those snide comments and use those douchie emojis, it is the ones you are talking to who are looking bad in their glow.

 

Now come back with a snide insult and your patented emoji. You know you can’t resist.