BuffaloBillyG Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: I agree….IF they think Love can be their franchise QB. I have my doubts It’s easy from the couch. Maybe not as easy if you take into account who the QB that you’re giving the keys to car is. Trading the back to back mvp qb to turn your franchise over to Love has got to be one of the toughest decisions ever. Trading him makes all the sense in the world….if your new QB is worthy. Is he worthy? Idk Won't know until he plays. Love playing is a win/win in my opinion. Either he shows well enough to carry the franchise...or you likely have a high pick in addition to whatever picks you get in return for a guy on the back 9 of his career. It's almost like Rodgers is setting the Pack up to be the bad guy either way. Be it "They weren't commited to pay me" or "They refused to build a team that could win". True, Rodgers is still playing extremely well, however it's tough to build a competitive team while giving him a huge increase and bringing Adams back (which they will have to do to keep Aaron happy). They will likely need to let guys like Tonyan and MVS go. Or, they can use this as a chance to stock up for the long haul. I absolutely know which way I would go. Quote
NewEra Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Won't know until he plays. Love playing is a win/win in my opinion. Either he shows well enough to carry the franchise...or you likely have a high pick in addition to whatever picks you get in return for a guy on the back 9 of his career. It's almost like Rodgers is setting the Pack up to be the bad guy either way. Be it "They weren't commited to pay me" or "They refused to build a team that could win". True, Rodgers is still playing extremely well, however it's tough to build a competitive team while giving him a huge increase and bringing Adams back (which they will have to do to keep Aaron happy). They will likely need to let guys like Tonyan and MVS go. Or, they can use this as a chance to stock up for the long haul. I absolutely know which way I would go. Yeah you won’t know until he plays, but the packers football people that watch him every day have a much better understanding of how good he is than we do. Tonyan and MVS are what they are because of AR. 2 JAGS that will likely be forgotten about now that they don’t have AR. Any team that pays MVS like a WR2 will be a crappy team led by a crappy GM. He’s more of a #4. We shall see. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah you won’t know until he plays, but the packers football people that watch him every day have a much better understanding of how good he is than we do. Tonyan and MVS are what they are because of AR. 2 JAGS that will likely be forgotten about now that they don’t have AR. Any team that pays MVS like a WR2 will be a crappy team led by a crappy GM. He’s more of a #4. We shall see. I'd somewhat disagree on MVS. I see him more of a "high end" #3 guy. But agree, that he is QB dependant. A top QB gets him to that range for me. He does make a lot of catches most guys wouldn't. Excellent on the sidelines. Tonyan I could take or leave. Problem comes with having to create and then fill holes with no money. Quote
Magox Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Sure, you can make an argument to justify that amount, he certainly is deserving to have a top contract but at that contract level and considering their cap situation, it would make it very difficult for them to improve upon the team that they currently have. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'd somewhat disagree on MVS. I see him more of a "high end" #3 guy. But agree, that he is QB dependant. A top QB gets him to that range for me. He does make a lot of catches most guys wouldn't. Excellent on the sidelines. Tonyan I could take or leave. Problem comes with having to create and then fill holes with no money. For sure….but what’s the difference between the packers paying AR 50 as opposed to the bills paying allen 45 or w/e he’s getting. Every good QB is going to get huge money that will put his team in the same situation. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: For sure….but what’s the difference between the packers paying AR 50 as opposed to the bills paying allen 45 or w/e he’s getting. Every good QB is going to get huge money that will put his team in the same situation. In this case the biggest difference is that Allen getting $45M per season means his cap hit can be converted and much lower than that. If AR wants that $50M chances are guaranteed money won't be kicked as far down the road to lessen this season's cap hit. $45M/7 years vs $50M/1-2 years plays out much different. And on Rodgers case I wouldn't kick that can too far down the road...end up like the Saints real fast that way. 1 Quote
HOUSE Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 You guys are real good at wasting somebody else's money ... Quote
TBBills Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Greg S said: Between this and what Adams wants how can the Packers field a competitive team? As long as the ayers get their money they don't care about fielding *****. Rodgers will never win another Super Bowl and I think he knows it He is nothing more than a regular season super star. Quote
NewEra Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: In this case the biggest difference is that Allen getting $45M per season means his cap hit can be converted and much lower than that. If AR wants that $50M chances are guaranteed money won't be kicked as far down the road to lessen this season's cap hit. $45M/7 years vs $50M/1-2 years plays out much different. And on Rodgers case I wouldn't kick that can too far down the road...end up like the Saints real fast that way. They can add as many voidable years as they’d like to kick it as far down the road as they want. The key to the rebuild isn’t salary cap. It’s having a QB capable of replacing their star. Teams can bite the bullet for one season and be right back on top a year later if they structure things accordingly. Similar to what the pats did in 2020. Then this year, they had tons of money and fielded a solid team….but their QB wasn’t ready for the big leagues. 1 1 Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, T master said: If he will guarantee a SB he might be worth it but if not C YAH !! He will guarantee a playoff birth and a divisional round flameout. Will that suffice? Quote
Virgil Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 He hasn’t been MVP 50 mil caliber full in the playoffs for a few years. Not worth it Quote
Mr. WEO Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Packers fans have gotten to damn fat off of going from Favre to Rodgers and 20+ years of competitive ball. it’s not even a question. Back to Back MVPs…playing better than Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Murray, Burrow. Spins it better than am arm in the league. He sits at the top. When you sit at the top you get the green. Time to pay up. He was undeserving of the MVP this past year--simply put. But 2020, easily the MVP. Anyway, you aren't "sitting at the top" when you are watching other QBs play on TV after you get bounced out of the playoffs again. You're sitting on your couch... 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Yeah you won’t know until he plays, but the packers football people that watch him every day have a much better understanding of how good he is than we do. Tonyan and MVS are what they are because of AR. 2 JAGS that will likely be forgotten about now that they don’t have AR. Any team that pays MVS like a WR2 will be a crappy team led by a crappy GM. He’s more of a #4. We shall see. Could say the same for Knox and Davis. Edited February 28, 2022 by Mr. WEO Quote
NewEra Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He was undeserving of the MVP this past year--simply put. But 2020, easily the MVP. Anyway, you aren't "sitting at the top" when you are watching other QBs play on TV after you get bounced out of the playoffs again. You're sitting on your couch... Could say the same for Knox and Davis. Similarly. I think knox is a better TE than Tonyan and I think Davis is a better Wr than MVS. of the 4, who would you rather have? Davis or MVS? Knox or Tonyan? Quote
Santana Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Sounds fair..........he's only won the MVP two years running. Yeah but that's literally all he's won. He's lost 9 Playoff games since 2010. The most of any QB in that time frame. Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: For sure….but what’s the difference between the packers paying AR 50 as opposed to the bills paying allen 45 or w/e he’s getting. Every good QB is going to get huge money that will put his team in the same situation. Yeah, and let's not forget Green Bay has to bear some responsibility for the mess their in also. They didn't extend A Rogers when they could have had him at the $40M mark of Mahomes and Josh. Quite the opposite, they got cute and drafted what they thought would be Rogers replacement and let Rogers ride out his deal. That oh so clever GB FO now has to deal with a mess of its own making. They had a HOF QB, pretty much in his prime, and decided to try and draft his replacement early. Oops. Love lucked terrible and there is now no way to get Rogers with any kind of break now. They have to pay market price to keep him, $50M. 4 minutes ago, Santana said: Yeah but that's literally all he's won. He's lost 9 Playoff games since 2010. The most of any QB in that time frame. No, he's literally won a Superbowl and the two most recent MVPs. If Carr is worth $40M, and K Murray is North of $40M, yes, A Rogers is $50M. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Yeah, and let's not forget Green Bay has to bear some responsibility for the mess their in also. They didn't extend A Rogers when they could have had him at the $40M mark of Mahomes and Josh. Quite the opposite, they got cute and drafted what they thought would be Rogers replacement and let Rogers ride out his deal. That oh so clever GB FO now has to deal with a mess of its own making. They had a HOF QB, pretty much in his prime, and decided to try and draft his replacement early. Oops. Love lucked terrible and there is now no way to get Rogers with any kind of break now. They have to pay market price to keep him, $50M. No, he's literally won a Superbowl and the two most recent MVPs. If Carr is worth $40M, and K Murray is North of $40M, yes, A Rogers is $50M. I agree completely. They aren’t in this situation if they don’t draft Love. AR is a crazy mf…and they knew that. And still decided to roll the dice on his replacement. He certainly downplays the situation but I think, in Aaron’s mind, a line was drawn when they drafted Love. For w/e reason, he seems to be a grudge holder. Dude doesn’t even speak to his family 1 Quote
DCofNC Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 They can do it if they want, they have love in waiting so if they have Rodgers a 4 year deal, only 2 with guaranteed money, gave him a massive signing bonus, like $75M and a base of 12.5 for 2 years, then he gets the 50M average for 2 years and the cap hit is spread out over 4 seasons, they could get him and Adams back for 2 more years doing it that way. Would I? Probably not. He’s 38, it’s time to make a move towards the future, but that’s just me talking. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, Santana said: Yeah but that's literally all he's won. He's lost 9 Playoff games since 2010. The most of any QB in that time frame. Not bad for a QB of a team that hasn't spent a first round pick on an offensive player to help him in a decade. I mean, unless you count the guy they drafted to replace him. The Packers made their own mess with Rodgers.........shouldn't have scrimped when he was in his prime..........hopefully the Bills learn that lesson with Josh Allen. 2 1 Quote
Saxum Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Yup. Some people get bent out of shape every time an agent floats a high salary in the media. It’s negotiation. Yep. Agents are floaters and stink. Quote
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, LeviF said: By having Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. You know its interesting how we dont point this finger at our selves but we happily say it is ok for Green Bay Bills fans want to be the best at every position....but they themselves are now paying a unicorn QB Quote
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