Doc Posted August 4, 2022 Posted August 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, wnyguy said: So if Putin and Russia helped Trump win in 2016 where were they in 2020? Those Commie bastards let us down. Great question. You'd think with Trump in Office, it would have been easier than in 2016.
BillsFanNC Posted August 4, 2022 Author Posted August 4, 2022 40 minutes ago, wnyguy said: So if Putin and Russia helped Trump win in 2016 where were they in 2020? Those Commie bastards let us down. Didn't you hear? It was the most secure election in US history! Those Russkis couldn't give Trump any help in 2020. A Republican wins? Fraud. Because pee tapes and other unsubstantiated innuendo. Case closed you loony conspiracy theorists asking for actual evidence. A democrat wins? Not only is it fair and secure with no significant evidence of widespread fraud. No, no, no that doesn't go nearly far enough.....it was the most secure election in US history!!! A simple ruse that works quite well on the simple minded. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 4, 2022 Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: The Senate Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and division within American society. Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.” (Manafort was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.) The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan issue. But that is not my point. Anyone who starts to suggest any election they lose is rigged is aiming towards a dictatorship. Let’s stop this silliness. Do you believe Trump was an illegitimate President, assumed power as a result of a coup, and was guilty is treason? Also, assuming what you have suggested is true, what’s the standard in an election run up? Apparently the use of a data and intel (real or imagined) provided by foreign nationals is perfectly normal. 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 5, 2022 Author Posted August 5, 2022 More CoSpIRaCy theories!!!! ....or something 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 5, 2022 Author Posted August 5, 2022 Yes of course we are supposed to believe it. As @ChiGoose is fond of reminding us, these things that take huge leaps of faith for even the wildest nutcase to buy for a second, can all simply be chalked up to mistakes that will be fixed going forward.
nedboy7 Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 2:05 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Let’s stop this silliness. Do you believe Trump was an illegitimate President, assumed power as a result of a coup, and was guilty is treason? Also, assuming what you have suggested is true, what’s the standard in an election run up? Apparently the use of a data and intel (real or imagined) provided by foreign nationals is perfectly normal. He is now. On 8/4/2022 at 1:11 PM, Demongyz said: Don't you find it odd that the party that controls the House, Senate and Presidency is so worried about dictatorship? Isn't it odd that the party of lock people up, force people take shots is afraid of dictators? You should look long and hard at what the Democratic party is doing. Because if you target the opposing party and attempt to put all of them in jail, the country becomes a dictatorship... What is going on now? This is beyond dumb. Yeah sorry you can't try to overturn an election without consequences. It's gonna be a entertaining day on here pretty soon when Garland drops the hammer. Too bad they did not approve him to the Supreme Joke.
BillsFanNC Posted August 7, 2022 Author Posted August 7, 2022 Will the J6 sham committee share this footage? Of course not. CoNsPIrAcY theories, right? Did they take sworn testimony from Sicknick's good friend and former Capitol police officer Travis Page?
BillStime Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, DRsGhost said: Will the J6 sham committee share this footage? Of course not. CoNsPIrAcY theories, right? Did they take sworn testimony from Sicknick's good friend and former Capitol police officer Travis Page? omfg - lolz
TH3 Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 3:41 PM, DRsGhost said: Didn't you hear? It was the most secure election in US history! Those Russkis couldn't give Trump any help in 2020. A Republican wins? Fraud. Because pee tapes and other unsubstantiated innuendo. Case closed you loony conspiracy theorists asking for actual evidence. A democrat wins? Not only is it fair and secure with no significant evidence of widespread fraud. No, no, no that doesn't go nearly far enough.....it was the most secure election in US history!!! A simple ruse that works quite well on the simple minded. Text book projection
BillsFanNC Posted August 7, 2022 Author Posted August 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, TH3 said: Text book projection Most secure election in US history!!!!
BillStime Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 20 hours ago, DRsGhost said: I'm neither D nor R.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 7:38 PM, nedboy7 said: He is now. I don’t understand intellectual cowardice, and you seem to be afflicted with it. You declared the following as an unequivocal standard: “But that is not my point. Anyone who starts to suggest any election they lose is rigged is aiming towards a dictatorship.”. The upper echelon of the Democrat party did just that in 2015-2019. Trump was called an illegitimate President, one prominent Democrat suggested a coup had taken place, the former director of the CIA under Barrack Obama accused Trump of treason, and the American people were promised that certain political leaders had clear and convincing evidence to prove each and every point. Of course, we all know what happened with each those claims, and that is, nothing beyond casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of our elections—-something that seems to bother you, but only now. It seems pretty obvious you support autocracy so long as your people are running it. You’re part of the reason that Stop the Steal works. 1 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 11, 2022 Author Posted August 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, B-Man said: MATT MARGOLIS: J6 Committee Primetime Hearings Backfire In The Most Hilarious Way. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/08/10/j6-committee-primetime-hearings-backfire-in-the-most-hilarious-way-n1619789 . J6 show trial not moving the needle as planned? What to do, what to do... Let's raid Mar-a-Lago and not provide the public any transparency. Yeah, that'll do the trick! Clown show. 1
Doc Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: J6 show trial not moving the needle as planned? What to do, what to do... Let's raid Mar-a-Lago and not provide the public any transparency. Yeah, that'll do the trick! Clown show. Oh, it's moving the needle...in the wrong direction for the Dems! Think the raid will help?
ChiGoose Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 38 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: J6 show trial not moving the needle as planned? What to do, what to do... Let's raid Mar-a-Lago and not provide the public any transparency. Yeah, that'll do the trick! Clown show. You do realize that the FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations because until they charge someone, they are presumed innocent and leaking info on the investigation would be harmful to them? Like, this is just very standard stuff. No different than how anyone else would be treated. Of course, Trump has a copy of the search warrant, so if he wants it to be public, he can make it public immediately. For a long time, the main retort on PPP has been "If Trump did crimes, why hasn't he been charged?" and then we have an incident where he very clearly did a crime (he's not denying he had the documents and we know he was informed he had no right to them) so law enforcement searches his place for additional evidence of the crime he very clearly committed, and instead some introspection and thinking "well, he definitely did have the documents he wasn't supposed to have..." the new line in PPP is that this is a completely made up witch hunt. At this point, I cannot imagine there is any amount of evidence that would move most of you. Trump really could shoot someone on 5th avenue and the response on this board would be "fake news, didn't happen" or "it was self defense" or "the police don't arrest everyone who kills someone, therefore this is politically motivated." The thing I don't get is: if you were going to pick someone to be your GodKing infallible hero, why the failed casino magnate long time Democrat and Epstein friend? That's the guy you want to worship? Why?
BillsFanNC Posted August 11, 2022 Author Posted August 11, 2022 Here's the deal @ChiGoose on how all of this boils down. You believe what the DOJ, FBI, congress, the media tells you without question. That is as long as its about getting Trump. He's guilty, details and evidence to follow. However, when serious questions are asked about possibly even looking a bit deeper into dem malfeasance then we get hand waving, yeah but it's different analysis from you. Trump has received the full force of the government colonoscopy for seven years and you seem to have cheered all of it on. Ok, fine. Yet you can never advocate for even taking the temperature of contemporary democrats involved in what appears to be very shady *****. Therefore your proclamations of nobody is above the law, and equal justice for all etc. fall less than flat. I and half the country not only don't believe what these institutions are telling us, we never will going forward until they are all fundamentally reformed. It's a bed fully made by a weaponized government bureaucracy and media that went out in the open in the Trump era. Finally, this is what you and others absolutely refuse to see and understand in your get Trump bloodlust. THIS ISN'T ABOUT TRUMP. I personally think the man is a pompous, blowhard #######. Despite my personal feelings on the man, I'm still not willing to throw away the principles of our republic just to get the guy, whether HE'S GUILTY OR NOT. It's clear that you are fine with all of it. Show me the man and ill show you the crime is your deal. I'm gonna pass. 1
ChiGoose Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DRsGhost said: Here's the deal @ChiGoose on how all of this boils down. You believe what the DOJ, FBI, congress, the media tells you without question. That is as long as its about getting Trump. He's guilty, details and evidence to follow. However, when serious questions are asked about possibly even looking a bit deeper into dem malfeasance then we get hand waving, yeah but it's different analysis from you. Trump has received the full force of the government colonoscopy for seven years and you seem to have cheered all of it on. Ok, fine. Yet you can never advocate for even taking the temperature of contemporary democrats involved in what appears to be very shady *****. Therefore your proclamations of nobody is above the law, and equal justice for all etc. fall less than flat. I and half the country not only don't believe what these institutions are telling us, we never will going forward until they are all fundamentally reformed. It's a bed fully made by a weaponized government bureaucracy and media that went out in the open in the Trump era. Finally, this is what you and others absolutely refuse to see and understand in your get Trump bloodlust. THIS ISN'T ABOUT TRUMP. I personally think the man is a pompous, blowhard #######. Despite my personal feelings on the man, I'm still not willing to throw away the principles of our republic just to get the guy, whether HE'S GUILTY OR NOT. It's clear that you are fine with all of it. Show me the man and ill show you the crime is your deal. I'm gonna pass. I don't believe what I'm told without question and I don't even watch news on the tv. I judge what I see as I see it and try to use primary sources whenever possible. When Trump declared his candidacy, I thought it was a joke because he clearly had little grasp of how the government worked. I was wrong as people took his ignorance as a positive signal of being an outsider. Right after assuming office, he tried to enact the Muslim ban, something the President has power to do but his team was so incompetent that it took them three attempts to do it. Throughout his administration, the incompetence would become a running theme as his team routinely shot themselves in the foot due to their ignorance of administrative law. At one point, I turned on Twitter notifications for his account but I had to turn it off because the unending stream of nonsense, blather, and vitriol was too much. Reading things like "Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure,it's not your fault" and thinking that the person who wrote it was president of the United States was a bit much. I also saw that his 2016 campaign was absolutely crawling with Russians. Story after story came out about things like the Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary to Erik Prince meeting Russians to establish a back channel; stories that were later verified by the Mueller investigation. I think the total number of contacts with Russians ended up being over 100. Despite this, his followers still to this day deny that the campaign worked with Russians in any way because they either are denying reality or do not understand the legal threshold of conspiracy. It would have been absolutely insane NOT to investigate a presidential campaign with so many connections to one of our adversaries but for some reason, people see the investigation as fake or unwarranted. I have listened to the phone call where Trump tells the Georgia Secretary of State that he won Georgia by more than 400,000 votes but he only needed them to add about 11,000 votes to the tally. That's clearly a violation of Georgia voting laws. We also know that Trump took classified documents to his private residence after he left office. Which is also a crime. Whether or not Trump will be prosecuted for those crimes is up in the air. Not everybody who crimes gets indicted, and not everyone who is indicted is found guilty. There are more factors at issue. But denying that he did those things is denying reality since one was literally recorded and the other is not disputed. I am glad the FBI investigated Hillary Clinton. I think how they handled it by breaking protocol was not good and likely put Trump over the top in the 2016 election. I also understand the difference between obtaining a server and digital files (which likely would not require a visit to a home) and investigating stolen physical documents (which likely would require going to the home). I also recognize the difference between plain clothes officers walking into a building while being escorted by the secret service and a SWAT raid with uniformed officers breaking down doors and forcing entry. I am also not going to cherry pick the times the FBI went after members of one party, ignore the times it went after the other party, and claim systematic bias. Edited August 11, 2022 by ChiGoose 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 16, 2022 Author Posted August 16, 2022 Those five facts are: The pipe bombs — according to the Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sund and Inspector General — were planted as a “diversion” to distract law enforcement shortly before 1 p.m., when the breach of the Capitol’s perimeter was just getting started. According to the official timeline, the breach started just one minute after Capitol Police were informed about the pipe bombs just two to three city blocks away. The pipe bomber used an old-fashioned mechanical timer with a one hour max time setting, but planted the bombs at roughly 8 p.m. the night before January 6 — 17 hours before they were found. The pipe bombs were constructed with no remote detonation ability, meaning their purpose as a diversion relied solely on the “luck” of being found at the right time, between noon and 1 p.m., to match the one-hour timer appearing to target the 1 p.m. Congressional certification vote. The first pipe bomb was found at 12:40 p.m., with 20 minutes left on the timer, perfectly matching the exact timing needed both to “divert” police as the breach began at 12:50 p.m., and to convince police the bomb was timed to the 1 p.m. Congressional vote. The timer didn’t just have 20 minutes left. It was left stuck on the 20 minute dial. 1
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