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[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Blah Blah Blah...........that's a lot of yapping to avoid making a simple, ordered list.

Honestly the position is different now. 
 

I'de probably put Leonard alone at 1 and then a big gap between him and the next guy. No one really dominates the game in the middle like past players have. 

 

Fred Warner is a favorite of mine. Smith for the Bears. Bobby Wagner still can play at a high level.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Max Fischer]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you've done it before, then it really shouldn't be too big of a deal to find the post where you've done it and link it here

 

You'd think the Jihad against Edmunds would be better prepared. 

[Max Fischer]

If the Bills move on from Edmunds, which player will become the next magnet for irrational fan vitriol? Nominations? The vacuum must be filled.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

If the Bills move on from Edmunds, which player will become the next magnet for irrational fan vitriol? Nominations? The vacuum must be filled.

Knox shut up fans for a year. But he's a candidate. 

 

Crazy as it sounds, the punter. Haack is the likely candidate.

 

Edmunds still has a year to go however. I understand now though, there's not much to complain about. I get it now. Fans have to always have something to complain about.

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

If the Bills move on from Edmunds, which player will become the next magnet for irrational fan vitriol? Nominations? The vacuum must be filled.

Whoever gets paid $13m a year to basically be a large scarecrow.  Dawkins rightfully was the magnet this year until his play drastically improved at end of year.  

[MrEpsYtown]

10 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

If the Bills move on from Edmunds, which player will become the next magnet for irrational fan vitriol? Nominations? The vacuum must be filled.

 

Whoever we sign/draft to play corner opposite Tre. 

[GunnerBill]

18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I posted a video today of Chris Simms talking about our coverages with McDermott. It was a short comment but he says when watching film he has no idea what coverages the Bills are playing. McDermott goes on to say the players do a great job of making the game plan their own.

 

What I took from that is McDermott and Frazier allow the players to disguise coverages, and they do it a lot.

 

But here you are saying the defense is too conservative.

 

The Bills are towards the more vanilla end of the scale up front and that is the bit that is easier for fans to see - we can all see a stunt, or an exotic blitz, because that is where the camera is on most plays. They are about the least vanilla, most creative, exotic and complex teams in the league on the back end of the defense with their coverages. The problem is that fans don't see that because the secondary isn't always where the camera is focused.

18 hours ago, billrooter said:

All defenses try an disguise coverages, how does that translate to an aggressive defense? Did you think they were aggressive against KC? It is a lot easier being aggressive against weaker qbs, maybe against good and we need to change things  that aren't working. We were much better against Brady the second half but in OT just like Machines we got carved, maybe they went to conservative, it is a balancing act.

 

There are very few that disguise and mix coverages as well or as much as the Bills. 

 

As for getting carved by Brady in overtime... yep... on a play where they blitzed. They were too aggressive there not too passive. Indeed a large number of the big back breaking plays the Bills gave up on defense this year came against the blitz. 

[GunnerBill]

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I thought they were better than their numbers late in 2020 when Milano and Edmunds got healthy...........but they played a dynamic schedule of offenses and that's the main reason they dropped off dramatically from the statistical standpoint.

 

 

I agree they were better than their rankings in 2020 when they were 14th and slightly worse than their ranking in 2021 when they were 1st. I do think they are a top 5 defense overall. 

[GunnerBill]

On 3/2/2022 at 4:54 AM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

It started with Nate Peterman. Like what the hell was that about? Mike Tolbert? Seriously? The guy played way too much. Vlad Ducasse, just was so terrible and worse and worse every week, but he stayed in there. Ramon Humber, Jordan Mills. Philip Gaines, Marshall Newhouse, John Miller. Then came Trent Murphy and Jon Feliciano. Who needs Wyatt Teller when you have Jeremiah Sirles and Brian Winters?

 

While I don't necessarily disagree some of your examples are a bit off. Marshall Newhouse never played a regular season game for the Bills, signed in March, traded in September after pre-season. Philip Gaines was signed in an off-season and played in only 6 games before being cut. Mike Tolbert was here one year, only played 4 times after week 9 of that year and only got more than 4 carries twice after week 4. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Honestly the position is different now. 
 

I'de probably put Leonard alone at 1 and then a big gap between him and the next guy. No one really dominates the game in the middle like past players have. 

 

Fred Warner is a favorite of mine. Smith for the Bears. Bobby Wagner still can play at a high level.

 

 

 

 

Yeah if the position WASN'T different how do you suppose the uninstinctive Edmunds would look playing it?   The only part of his game ANYONE thinks is extraordinary is his mystical presence in pass coverage(despite his approx 110 combined passer rating against the past 2 seasons).

 

The reality is that most of the people who think Edmunds is a top of the league ILB/MLB do it because they just don't even know who most of the players are who man the positions around the league.  

 

You can't even begin a list of top ILB's without both Lavonte David and Devin Smith of Tampa.    DeVondre Campbell was first team All Pro..........you don't think he's better than Edmunds right now?   Demario Davis also an All Pro......and he ain't a new addition to the list of top ILB's.  

 

Beyond the vets and the 3 guys from Edmunds own draft class that have left him in the dust..........he's also got passed by a number of instinctive, young LB's the past couple of seasons..........he's been stuck in neutral...........and that's steadily decreased the impact he makes as teams exploit his weaknesses.........if you aren't getting better you are getting worse.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah if the position WASN'T different how do you suppose the uninstinctive Edmunds would look playing it?   The only part of his game ANYONE thinks is extraordinary is his mystical presence in pass coverage(despite his approx 110 combined passer rating against the past 2 seasons).

 

The reality is that most of the people who think Edmunds is a top of the league ILB/MLB do it because they just don't even know who most of the players are who man the positions around the league.  

 

You can't even begin a list of top ILB's without both Lavonte David and Devin Smith of Tampa.    DeVondre Campbell was first team All Pro..........you don't think he's better than Edmunds right now?   Demario Davis also an All Pro......and he ain't a new addition to the list of top ILB's.  

 

Beyond the vets and the 3 guys from Edmunds own draft class that have left him in the dust..........he's also got passed by a number of instinctive, young LB's the past couple of seasons..........he's been stuck in neutral...........and that's steadily decreased the impact he makes as teams exploit his weaknesses.........if you aren't getting better you are getting worse.

 

People are down on Devin White this season. David is a WLB like Milano.

 

Demario Davis is interesting since he was called a bum early in his career. Davis has turned into a very good MLB. He's a bit old school. He'll smack you.

 

Campbell on his 3rd team in 3 years. Had a nice year.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

People are down on Devin White this season. David is a WLB like Milano.

 

Demario Davis is interesting since he was called a bum early in his career. Davis has turned into a very good MLB. He's a bit old school. He'll smack you.

 

Campbell on his 3rd team in 3 years. Had a nice year.

 

You see this is why I think many of the Edmunds defenders just have a vague grasp of the other players at ILB/MLB.

 

Devin White had another very good season.........he's better than Edmunds, no doubt.........you are thinking about the other off-ball high selection LB named Devin.........Devin Bush, who struggled returning from injury.

 

David is not a WLB.........he plays in a 3-4 not a 4-3........his responsibilities are different than either Edmunds or Milano but he is absolutely an ILB.

 

Demario Davis has been good for a number of years now..........he wasn't the All Pro that he is now early in his career but that was a LONG time ago.

 

Campbell had a tremendous year..........1st team All Pro in a league where there is a fairly obvious group of studs at the position.........none of which are Tremaine Edmunds.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You see this is why I think many of the Edmunds defenders just have a vague grasp of the other players at ILB/MLB.

 

Devin White had another very good season.........he's better than Edmunds, no doubt.........you are thinking about the other off-ball high selection LB named Devin.........Devin Bush, who struggled returning from injury.

 

David is not a WLB.........he plays in a 3-4 not a 4-3........his responsibilities are different than either Edmunds or Milano but he is absolutely an ILB.

 

Demario Davis has been good for a number of years now..........he wasn't the All Pro that he is now early in his career but that was a LONG time ago.

 

Campbell had a tremendous year..........1st team All Pro in a league where there is a fairly obvious group of studs at the position.........none of which are Tremaine Edmunds.

 

 

According to people that study Devin White he struggled this season.

 

David was a career WOLB, so the change must be recent. Haven't cared enough to study Buccaneer defense in a while. David is one of my favorite players. Probably the best cover LB in the history of the game imo. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Maybe the lack of playmaking for Edmunds is mostly due to scheme?

[BADOLBILZ]

On 3/1/2022 at 3:21 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

 

Beane is squarely not-not in the camp that Edmunds can be elite.

[BADOLBILZ]

On 3/3/2022 at 10:14 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills are towards the more vanilla end of the scale up front and that is the bit that is easier for fans to see - we can all see a stunt, or an exotic blitz, because that is where the camera is on most plays.

 

 

One of the reasons the Bills are so vanilla up front is because Edmunds has been an unconscionably ineffective inside blitzer.    

 

McD used to love him so of those double A gap blitzes in Carolina...........but most great blitzers have an extraordinary sense for how the OL is going to react to them and are always one step ahead.......Edmunds has been totally devoid of that extra sense.  

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

One of the reasons the Bills are so vanilla up front is because Edmunds has been an unconscionably ineffective inside blitzer.    

 

McD used to love him so of those double A gap blitzes in Carolina...........but most great blitzers have an extraordinary sense for how the OL is going to react to them and are always one step ahead.......Edmunds has been totally devoid of that extra sense.  

 

 

He is a bad blitzer. Agreed. 

[34-78-83]

Opinions are cool. Lots of variance on Edmunds here at TBD to say the least.
 

Here’s the facts on Edmunds covered on many spectrums by cover 1. It compares him statistically and analytically to all of his peers that we are all familiar with. It’s extremely objective and fair. His improvements this past season are pretty vast, however he is also not elite. This review covers his role, his responsibility and his output. They even cover his lack of splash plays for his draft position. I highly, HIGHLY encourage all of you to watch the whole thing, from the arrogant doubters to the myopic fan boys. These are the truths that cover almost everything we’ve ever debated about the guy. It really doesn’t get any better and accurate. It even breaks down the inaccuracies in the rating systems used to measure all nfl players in zone coverage. Very educational and very well backed with fact directly from the film.

 

 

[GoBills808]

28 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Opinions are cool. Lots of variance on Edmunds here at TBD to say the least.
 

Here’s the facts on Edmunds covered on many spectrums by cover 1. It compares him statistically and analytically to all of his peers that we are all familiar with. It’s extremely objective and fair. His improvements this past season are pretty vast, however he is also not elite. This review covers his role, his responsibility and his output. They even cover his lack of splash plays for his draft position. I highly, HIGHLY encourage all of you to watch the whole thing, from the arrogant doubters to the myopic fan boys. These are the truths that cover almost everything we’ve ever debated about the guy. It really doesn’t get any better and accurate. It even breaks down the inaccuracies in the rating systems used to measure all nfl players in zone coverage. Very educational and very well backed with fact directly from the film.

 

 

I posted this video last week…safe to say folks don’t want to hear anything except what reinforces their opinion😂😂

[Buffalo716]

On 3/4/2022 at 11:58 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

One of the reasons the Bills are so vanilla up front is because Edmunds has been an unconscionably ineffective inside blitzer.    

 

McD used to love him so of those double A gap blitzes in Carolina...........but most great blitzers have an extraordinary sense for how the OL is going to react to them and are always one step ahead.......Edmunds has been totally devoid of that extra sense.  

 

As I've detailed in threads here .. McDermott and co still utilize the dual a gap look he leaned from Jim Johnson 

 

But they don't send the magic number 5-6 enough.. it's basically a decoy to make QBs count heads  

 

Teams spread out and keep in 5 sometimes 6 blockers .. and McDermott can't match and rush 5-6 because they usually don't get their fast enough 

 

Tremaine isn't a effective rusher after 4 seasons.. Klein was a better blitzer.. the threat at this point is the decoy not the blitz...