Spotrac spitballs C. Kirk & C. Williams to Bills

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

 It’s not going to be about the low taxes, great weather, or hot women.  

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

I knew there was already another thread that had discussed this. My post is in reference to the "bra" you used in yours. It immediately made me think of the movie Weird Science for some reason.  

oops. my bad Apologies 

 

I did wonder the correlation  

I totally missed that aspect 

 

 

I was in a mood.

 

working with a Parts Engineer that has been making my life miserable for the past 4 months 

 

hes crapped on most of the parts I selected for a NASA program when IMO there isn’t an issue 

 

Human Flight has him pricklier than normal 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Kirk would be interesting & looks like a good get. I'd be for that. Not sure Beane goes that route & put that much $ into slot WR FA though. Just seems like he's looking to retain Beasley (probably w/ lower cap hit) & will look to spend $$ on a legit FA pass rusher (was sniffing around Watt & Von Miller last year).

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Kirk wears number 13. No thanks.

[stinky finger]

On 2/21/2022 at 2:31 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I find it hard to believe Kirk will want to come to Buffalo.  One, it would have to likely be for less money than he would get elsewhere.  Two, he is going to want a bigger role where he can start as at least a #2 WR.  Coming here, he would be 3 on the WR depth chart and would be a role player rather than a major contributor.  Who ever fills that WR 3 spot, assuming everyone stays healthy, they are likely going to be a 400-700 yard receiver at most.  Too many mouths to feed here between Diggs, Davis, Knox, RB's and Allens legs.  

 

So, not a knock on Buffalo as a destination, its about opportunity and he won't get a lot of those here compared to going to a team where he can step in as one of the main targets right away and likely for more money too.  

 

So I just don't see Kirk as a realistic option for us because we as a team do not make a lot of sense for him.  He is young enough that he doesn't have to ring chase, and he is going to want an opportunity to prove himself and earn an even bigger payday on his next contract.  He will have plenty of suitors too.  

 

#3 in an offense run by JA comes with a bounty of opportunity. 
 

Buffalo has become a destination for those who want to feast offensively. 

[GreggTX]

Kirk is OK, but nothing special -- Decent speed and hands. Connor Williams is worse than what we already have -- No thanks.

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

#3 in an offense run by JA comes with a bounty of opportunity. 
 

Buffalo has become a destination for those who want to feast offensively. 

Nobody feasts as the third or fourth option in any offense.  It’s simple math, not enough balls to go around.  So while I agree the Bills and Josh Allen will be a top end offense, possibly the number 1 offense, for the foreseeable future, that doesn’t mean every player on the offense will have individual statistical highs.  
 

Look at how much Diggs and Cole stats dropped off just by having a healthy #2 most the season in Sanders and both Davis and Knox emerging too.  We spread the ball around here.  

 

Barring injuries, Kirk is going to remain a sub 1000 yard receiver here with all the mouths to feed.  Plus, we may run the ball a bit more too next year with Daboll gone and the success the ground game was having down the stretch.

 

We are not a good fit for a 25 yard WR who wants to be a full time starter and focal point in an offense.  And not only that, Beane won’t be anywhere near the highest bidder.  
 

What you and others keep describing is what players deeper in their career would want who have already made some good money already.  Take less money and reduced individual production to be on the best team to win a title before their career is over.

 

Kirk has not made a lot of money thus far, and is young enough he doesn’t have to take less money to chase a ring.
 

So, I just don’t see it.  I’d love him here, but I think people are getting their hopes up over something that’s unfortunately unlikely to happen.  I’d love to be wrong about this though.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Nobody feasts as the third or fourth option in any offense.  It’s simple math, not enough balls to go around.  So while I agree the Bills and Josh Allen will be a top end offense, possibly the number 1 offense, for the foreseeable future, that doesn’t mean every player on the offense will have individual statistical highs.  
 

Look at how much Diggs and Cole stats dropped off just by having a healthy #2 most the season in Sanders and both Davis and Knox emerging too.  We spread the ball around here.  

 

Barring injuries, Kirk is going to remain a sub 1000 yard receiver here with all the mouths to feed.  Plus, we may run the ball a bit more too next year with Daboll gone and the success the ground game was having down the stretch.

 

We are not a good fit for a 25 yard WR who wants to be a full time starter and focal point in an offense.  And not only that, Beane won’t be anywhere near the highest bidder.  
 

What you and others keep describing is what players deeper in their career would want who have already made some good money already.  Take less money and reduced individual production to be on the best team to win a title before their career is over.

 

Kirk has not made a lot of money thus far, and is young enough he doesn’t have to take less money to chase a ring.
 

So, I just don’t see it.  I’d love him here, but I think people are getting their hopes up over something that’s unfortunately unlikely to happen.  I’d love to be wrong about this though.

 

 

 

Agree. At this point Kirk has made just under $6m as an NFL player. He is going wherever the highest guaranteed $$s are. Not necessarily the highest AAV but the highest guaranteed $$s. This is his big chance to cash in. Spotrac reckons 4 years $47m. I wouldn't be surprised if he came in just below that number but with a hefty guaranteed %.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. At this point Kirk has made just under $6m as an NFL player. He is going wherever the highest guaranteed $$s are. Not necessarily the highest AAV but the highest guaranteed $$s. This is his big chance to cash in. Spotrac reckons 4 years $47m. I wouldn't be surprised if he came in just below that number but with a hefty guaranteed %.

And he knows that if he can go put up good seasons on this contract as a key player in an offense, he can potentially get an even bigger pay day on his next deal while still in his twenties.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

And he knows that if he can go put up good seasons on this contract as a key player in an offense, he can potentially get an even bigger pay day on his next deal while still in his twenties.  

 

He does. But he equally knows this might be his 1 shot at free agency. He can't afford to take discounts to play for a contender. 

[ytownblofan]

For those keeping track, looks like Kirk and his significant other are now on vacation in Mexico with Josh and Brittany. Darnold and Kyle Allen are also there. 

 

Obviously this could mean nothing.... but JA17 giving a recruiting pitch on the beach while sipping on some drinks can't be a bad thing!

 

 

[stinky finger]

51 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Nobody feasts as the third or fourth option in any offense.  It’s simple math, not enough balls to go around.  So while I agree the Bills and Josh Allen will be a top end offense, possibly the number 1 offense, for the foreseeable future, that doesn’t mean every player on the offense will have individual statistical highs.  
 

Look at how much Diggs and Cole stats dropped off just by having a healthy #2 most the season in Sanders and both Davis and Knox emerging too.  We spread the ball around here.  

 

Barring injuries, Kirk is going to remain a sub 1000 yard receiver here with all the mouths to feed.  Plus, we may run the ball a bit more too next year with Daboll gone and the success the ground game was having down the stretch.

 

We are not a good fit for a 25 yard WR who wants to be a full time starter and focal point in an offense.  And not only that, Beane won’t be anywhere near the highest bidder.  
 

What you and others keep describing is what players deeper in their career would want who have already made some good money already.  Take less money and reduced individual production to be on the best team to win a title before their career is over.

 

Kirk has not made a lot of money thus far, and is young enough he doesn’t have to take less money to chase a ring.
 

So, I just don’t see it.  I’d love him here, but I think people are getting their hopes up over something that’s unfortunately unlikely to happen.  I’d love to be wrong about this though.

 

 

My point is this. In an offense such as ours, I don’t like to use the old #1WR, #2WR, #3WR and so on. That way of thinking would indicate that the #1 gets the most targets/catches weekly. 
 

That’s simply not the case as I see it. There have been several examples where Diggs was not the leader on a weekly basis. 
 

Beasley, Davis and even McKenzie were featured on any given week. 
 

I don’t like to use the old pecking order. In our offense, if you’re getting the snaps, you’re gonna eat. Maybe not every week, but enough to keep you satisfied until next your number us called. 
 

Josh doesn’t discriminate. Nobody goes hungry for too long. Not if you’re getting the snaps. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by inaugural balls

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Kirk wears number 13. No thanks.

 

 He'd have to pick a new number anyways, Gabe already wears 13. Problem solved.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He'd have to pick a new number anyways, Gabe already wears 13. Problem solved.

 

 

I have PTSD. Gabriel Davis has to change his number also.

28 minutes ago, ytownblofan said:

For those keeping track, looks like Kirk and his significant other are now on vacation in Mexico with Josh and Brittany. Darnold and Kyle Allen are also there. 

 

Obviously this could mean nothing.... but JA17 giving a recruiting pitch on the beach while sipping on some drinks can't be a bad thing!

 

 

Just a friends trip, but I'm sure he'd love to play with Josh. It'll come down to money like most free agents.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Donuts and Doritos]

Christian Kirk on vacation w/ Josh Allen. 🤔

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-christian-kirk-vacation-free-agency/

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, ytownblofan said:

For those keeping track, looks like Kirk and his significant other are now on vacation in Mexico with Josh and Brittany. Darnold and Kyle Allen are also there. 

 

Obviously this could mean nothing.... but JA17 giving a recruiting pitch on the beach while sipping on some drinks can't be a bad thing!

 

 

 

I can actually see Sam Darnold being our back up one day.  

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

My point is this. In an offense such as ours, I don’t like to use the old #1WR, #2WR, #3WR and so on. That way of thinking would indicate that the #1 gets the most targets/catches weekly. 
 

That’s simply not the case as I see it. There have been several examples where Diggs was not the leader on a weekly basis. 
 

Beasley, Davis and even McKenzie were featured on any given week. 
 

I don’t like to use the old pecking order. In our offense, if you’re getting the snaps, you’re gonna eat. Maybe not every week, but enough to keep you satisfied until next your number us called. 
 

Josh doesn’t discriminate. Nobody goes hungry for too long. Not if you’re getting the snaps. 

 

Yet Diggs is still the only WR to go over 1000 yards the last 2 years and even when we lost our #2 for most the season, Diggs still was only person over 1000.

 

Sorry I just don't see a 5th year WR who has made just around $6M so far in his first 4 years giving up anywhere from $10M to $20M to come here because Beane isn't going to offer him anywhere close to the offers he should get in the $40M range.  

 

Compounding it further, he is a sub 1000 yard WR here, meaning his next contract will be smaller too.  Too many mouths to feed here.  Coming here, between this contract and his next, could cost him $40M to $60M in lost earnings.  Because if he goes somewhere and becomes a perennial 1100+ yard guy, he could see a big extension or big FA contract when he is 28 or 29 still.  He wont get big money if he spends 3 years here being a sub 1000 yard guy.

 

So, for me, I would love to see him here, but its not realistic IMHO.

 

 

 

[Motor26]

Connor Williams sucks. Draft a guard or sign James Daniels or Laken Tomlinson. Kirk will be too expensive. Would love to get DJ Chark on a prove it deal.

[NoSaint]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yet Diggs is still the only WR to go over 1000 yards the last 2 years and even when we lost our #2 for most the season, Diggs still was only person over 1000.

 

Sorry I just don't see a 5th year WR who has made just around $6M so far in his first 4 years giving up anywhere from $10M to $20M to come here because Beane isn't going to offer him anywhere close to the offers he should get in the $40M range.  

 

Compounding it further, he is a sub 1000 yard WR here, meaning his next contract will be smaller too.  Too many mouths to feed here.  Coming here, between this contract and his next, could cost him $40M to $60M in lost earnings.  Because if he goes somewhere and becomes a perennial 1100+ yard guy, he could see a big extension or big FA contract when he is 28 or 29 still.  He wont get big money if he spends 3 years here being a sub 1000 yard guy.

 

So, for me, I would love to see him here, but its not realistic IMHO.

 

 

 

i think “giving up 10-20M” is a bit extreme in the framing. If beane wants him, he’d be able to easily offer more than 6 and slot this in as Kirk/Davis replacing beasley/sanders. 
 

If we are in on Kirk, we are north of 40 not sub 25 on a 4 year deal

[Greg S]

Diggs, Davis, and Kirk. I'm in. Get to work Beane.