What is your "Win Now" off-season scenario?

[BuffaloBillyG]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The issue with Chark is that he's missed 21 games and been hobbled in many more in his brief career.

 

That's why he has only averaged a measly 500 yards per season.

 

Metcalf hasn't missed a game in his career and has averaged over 1,000 per season with gaudy TD numbers.

 

They are on 2 very different levels as players.

 

If Chark could be brought in for $4M or something it is a worthwhile gamble but not at the projected 4 year deal @ $13M per year..........that could end up making the Star Lotulelei deal look like good business.

 

Metcalf has just a $4M cap hit in 2022.

Any team that aquires Metcalf should be prepared to brace themselves to give him a new deal before he even sees the field. And he will be looking to get top tier money. And if he gets that...be ready for Diggs to want a re-up ASAP as he's earned that.

 

While I can concede that Metcalf and Chark are different levels, the OP suggested trading 2 firsts for him. 

 

Metcalf is great but the better value there is Chark, the cap savings to devote to other areas, and 2 1sts IMO.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Any team that aquires Metcalf should be prepared to brace themselves to give him a new deal before he even sees the field. And he will be looking to get top tier money. And if he gets that...be ready for Diggs to want a re-up ASAP as he's earned that.

 

While I can concede that Metcalf and Chark are different levels, the OP suggested trading 2 firsts for him. 

 

Metcalf is great but the better value there is Chark, the cap savings to devote to other areas, and 2 1sts IMO.

 

Yeah there might not be ANY WR in the NFL that is worth two 1st round picks right now............because the league has been bombarded with new talent at the position since Metcalf entered the league.    Basically every team has SOME guys that can play the position well now.........some have A BUNCH.    It's not like during the WR drought of 2015-2017.   What team is so desperate to add an impact WR that they need to do that now?

 

But Metcalf and Chark are MILES apart in terms of what you can actually expect to receive.      

 

Metcalf would be an unbelievable match with Josh Allen.............right now Chark looks like another Will Fuller...........$13M for a guy who misses 5-6 games per year on average and produces less when he actually does play.........that's no contest.

 

Metcalf is worth a 1st round pick more than Chark is worth risking $13M per year.    

 

And I disagree that you have to ink Metcalf right away..........I don't expect him to sit out for a deal.........he stands to make more money if he hits UFA in 2023 when the cap jumps signficantly.    This year it's just now back to where it was projected to be in 2020.

 

You'd hate to risk losing him for only a 2024 comp pick..........but if your board tells you that you are only going to get a Shaq Lawson quality player at #25........maybe you take that chance.

[eball]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah there might not be ANY WR in the NFL that is worth two 1st round picks right now............because the league has been bombarded with new talent at the position since Metcalf entered the league.    Basically every team has SOME guys that can play the position well now.........some have A BUNCH.    It's not like during the WR drought of 2015-2017.   What team is so desperate to add an impact WR that they need to do that now?

 

But Metcalf and Chark are MILES apart in terms of what you can actually expect to receive.      

 

Metcalf would be an unbelievable match with Josh Allen.............right now Chark looks like another Will Fuller...........$13M for a guy who misses 5-6 games per year on average and produces less when he actually does play.........that's no contest.

 

Metcalf is worth a 1st round pick more than Chark is worth risking $13M per year.    

 

And I disagree that you have to ink Metcalf right away..........I don't expect him to sit out for a deal.........he stands to make more money if he hits UFA in 2023 when the cap jumps signficantly.    This year it's just now back to where it was projected to be in 2020.

 

You'd hate to risk losing him for only a 2024 comp pick..........but if your board tells you that you are only going to get a Shaq Lawson quality player at #25........maybe you take that chance.

 

I agree with this.  Comparing Chark and Metcalf is ludicrous.  Metcalf seems like a good dude also, and he’s smart enough to understand what could happen for his wallet if he is matched with Josh for a year.

 

This is perhaps the only “1 year rental” I can think of that makes sense for the Bills.

 

[97bills]

5 hours ago, Mark92 said:

They won't do it.  Beane has built this thing from the ground up and I think he would be happier being a playoff team every season over winning one super bowl and then being fired in 5 years.  It's a pipe dream.  They will make moves but nothing earth shattering.  They are close and they know it.  

I hear you but I’m 45 we we’re close the last two years, I’m ready to win a super bowl I hope they do what ever it takes. Allen will always keep us in the playoff hunt 

2 hours ago, GottaRun said:

I'm so ready to be hurt AFTER the Bills have secured a Lombardi I can taste it.

 

I agree 💯 do what ever it takes, we’ve had all our draft picks just about every year and still no rings. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

I believe we will do these things which help us greatly:

1) get Beasley to take less money to stay, which I think he does since so many WR are available this year.

2) restructuring Diggs, Dawkins and Williams to free up some cash.

3) spend money for an impact Edge rusher around 10 million a year.

4) drafting the best CB in draft with first pick, since DB draft is deep. 

[Don Otreply]

Conceptually this is a quite a fun thread to read, all these ways to cripple this franchise in ways that would never happen in real life is quite entertaining.  There are a lot of fertile imaginations at work here, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Augie]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Any team that aquires Metcalf should be prepared to brace themselves to give him a new deal before he even sees the field. And he will be looking to get top tier money. And if he gets that...be ready for Diggs to want a re-up ASAP as he's earned that.

 

While I can concede that Metcalf and Chark are different levels, the OP suggested trading 2 firsts for him. 

 

Metcalf is great but the better value there is Chark, the cap savings to devote to other areas, and 2 1sts IMO.

 

Draft (the right) one early, and let him play on the cheap for a while. Chasing expensive FA’s at every position is not the way to build a team. It worked with the Rams this year (good for them), but I’m not a fan of that style. The Rams were lucky we fell to the Chiefs in a classic game. The Bengals were lucky they didn’t have to play either of us on a good day. 

 

Luck matters. I want a lot of shots, not just one or two. 

 

I’m into winning long term more than “win now”. Be in the mix every season, and you will get one eventually. I’m not for rolling the dice on one shot at the cost of future seasons. 

[klos63]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I believe we will do these things which help us greatly:

1) get Beasley to take less money to stay, which I think he does since so many WR are available this year.

2) restructuring Diggs, Dawkins and Williams to free up some cash.

3) spend money for an impact Edge rusher around 10 million a year.

4) drafting the best CB in draft with first pick, since DB draft is deep. 

That's a bingo!

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

This would be great for the time being. We’d win the super bowl barring a catastrophe. We’d run into major problems down the road.  We’d have to pay Metcalf 18M+ On top of Diggs’ next extension. I don’t see how we’d be able to keep kicking money down the road on all of these contracts plus the extensions coming in 23.  
 

i think in this instance, edmunds would have to go and be replaced by a rookie or cheap option.  No way we can afford all of these guys and maintain some of our home grown talent.  

plus paying for Knox and Davis in the next 2 years....We definitely won't be spending that kind of money on  WR position.  So Metcalf will not work for us.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We dont need anything big, honestly we should have won the Superbowl this year. Just need to improve the interior of both lines , get speed at the skill positions and secondary.

 

 

[dje85]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah there might not be ANY WR in the NFL that is worth two 1st round picks right now............because the league has been bombarded with new talent at the position since Metcalf entered the league.    Basically every team has SOME guys that can play the position well now.........some have A BUNCH.    It's not like during the WR drought of 2015-2017.   What team is so desperate to add an impact WR that they need to do that now?

 

But Metcalf and Chark are MILES apart in terms of what you can actually expect to receive.      

 

Metcalf would be an unbelievable match with Josh Allen.............right now Chark looks like another Will Fuller...........$13M for a guy who misses 5-6 games per year on average and produces less when he actually does play.........that's no contest.

 

Metcalf is worth a 1st round pick more than Chark is worth risking $13M per year.    

 

And I disagree that you have to ink Metcalf right away..........I don't expect him to sit out for a deal.........he stands to make more money if he hits UFA in 2023 when the cap jumps signficantly.    This year it's just now back to where it was projected to be in 2020.

 

You'd hate to risk losing him for only a 2024 comp pick..........but if your board tells you that you are only going to get a Shaq Lawson quality player at #25........maybe you take that chance.

The Will Fuller comp is fair injury wise but you wouldn't be paying close to 13 million for Chark. And with our training staff we might be able to keep him healthy. If we could big if but if we could he would be a huge value for what he is going to get in free agency I feel due tot hat injury history. And he would be an ideal wr 4 imo. He has an extra gear real speed stretch the field guy.

[billybob71]

simple... sign Bobby Boucher

[NewEra]

56 minutes ago, ganesh said:

plus paying for Knox and Davis in the next 2 years....We definitely won't be spending that kind of money on  WR position.  So Metcalf will not work for us.

I agree….but if we did get him, we’d probably win the super bowl this year

[Einstein's Dog]

My toughts:

1. get D lineman stud- buy one of C Jones, clowney, or Von Miller. They were going for JJ last year, so not out of the question

2.  Trade for Toney + Barkley - give up Beasley/Singletary/Mongo + Edmunds.- actual cap savings 

 3  add/buy TE2 - get Gronk for 8M. If not then Ertz 

4..draft-CB+IOL+RB2+Edmunds replacement.

 

 

[Turf Toejam 34]

The item that gets lost in many of these sort of observations regarding our lack of YAC is that the offense (and could possibly be a reflection of Josh Allen's tool set) has been predicated (in many situations) on Josh making the correct read and then throwing to "a static position" on the field.   Unless we're talking about "down the field" or "cross routes", there are many times where the throw windows in the Bills offense just isn't there for YAC.   I don't think that this is a reflection of the shortcomings of our WR/TE's but just due to the types of routes being run.    

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

plus paying for Knox and Davis in the next 2 years....We definitely won't be spending that kind of money on  WR position.  So Metcalf will not work for us.

 

 

Knox and Davis had 500 yard receiving seasons last year.........Knox has averaged around 400 and Gabe 550 in their 5 combined seasons.

 

I think Bills fans have a misconception about these 2..........they have both been inconsistent and had some BAD games this past season..........and haven't actually done much yet........and there are no guarantees that they actually will.

 

[Augie]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Knox and Davis had 500 yard receiving seasons last year.........Knox has averaged around 400 and Gabe 550 in their 5 combined seasons.

 

I think Bills fans have a misconception about these 2..........they have both been inconsistent and had some BAD games this past season..........and haven't actually done much yet........and there are no guarantees that they actually will.

 

 

There are no guarantees in life. I like their chances. 

 

 

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Edited February 20, 2022 by Augie

[HOUSE]

Why would Seattle trade DK Metcalf ??  Would you trade DK Metcalf ?

 

Would any team trade DK Metcalf ??

 

Maybe a trade for Copper Kupp would be better....

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by HOUSE

[SoCal Deek]

11 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

We dont need anything big, honestly we should have won the Superbowl this year. Just need to improve the interior of both lines , get speed at the skill positions and secondary.

 

 

Or…they could’ve just held the Chiefs receivers at the line of scrimmage in the last thirteen seconds, without a single roster move. 😉

[Einstein's Dog]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Knox and Davis had 500 yard receiving seasons last year.........Knox has averaged around 400 and Gabe 550 in their 5 combined seasons.

 

I think Bills fans have a misconception about these 2..........they have both been inconsistent and had some BAD games this past season..........and haven't actually done much yet........and there are no guarantees that they actually will.

 

And it goes the other way on the misconception of Knox salary.  A Hooper ($10M), R Tonyan (spotrac est $10.8M), and J Smith ($12M) all didn't go over 500 yards. Market data is out there, with more to come- R Tonyan and D Schultz are FAs this year. Last year Hunter/J Smith got $12M, Goedert $14M.

 

Beane and Co need to factor in a market rate TE so we can continue to have a top notch offense. Prices don't drop. One advantage to drafting and developing is extending and paying market rates a year early. You do that with Knox.

 

Knox offers continuity, upside, culture fit, and the odds on favorite to be the best TE the Bills have ever had.  It boggles my mind that some people don't even want to pay him the market rate.