KC Chiefs Kingdom Article: Eric Bieniemy Ruined the AFCC

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

This is a strange development…

 

They should have just posted “ we f’d up” instead of all that crap..

 

I think they should have posted

"someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation and harboring hate speech and whatever else we can plausibly put in a civil suit where the standard is more likely than not"

and

"the one source we did have got pissed off at us for publishing some drunk ***** they said out of context and maybe outing them to the team as flapperlips"

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's another link to the article downthread.

 

Oh, here, let me make it easier

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?s=60f98814f0882458c4b46e4e5dcd0abb&p=16149947&postcount=278

Click "spoiler"

 

This is exactly to @Ridgewaycynic2013 that things can not be un-published on the internet.  Once it's out, it's out.

TWSS...

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Well that explanation is a nonsensical stream of consciousness that makes me doubt the original story even more.

[billsfan89]

On 2/17/2022 at 12:43 AM, GunnerBill said:

This strikes me a bit as fans doing what fans do - blame the coordinator. That is easier than blaming the Quarterback or the Head Coach 'cos your team is generally more locked into those guys. Coordinators are often the scapegoats. 

 

The article might be true but there isn't a single one of its claims that is corroborated by a second source. 

 

The main person to blame for the 2nd half of the AFCCG? It was Patrick Mahomes. 

 

In the end if the players execute for the most part any play will be somewhat successful. Yes play calling is important because players won't always execute and you don't want to run directly into the strength of the other team. But fans always go directly to play calling as the blame for most collapses esp on offense. It is just the nature of fandom. 

[TheFunPolice]

The idea that Andy Reid would just stand there helpless will his OC called crappy plays and ripped the star QB apart because it was "in his (EB's) contract" is a complete and total joke. The HC ALWAYS has the final say, or he isn't the HC anymore. 

 

Now, I could see Reid letting EB pretty much run the offense as he is trying to help the man develop his career and all, plus Reid is trying to be more of a CEO type HC. OK. But this idea that it's all Bienemy's fault and poor Andy Reid just has to stand by and watch because of language in Bienemy's contract is a joke, and these writers should be ashamed. 

 

Also, IF this was all true I don't think EB coming back would be in the cards. 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well that explanation is a nonsensical stream of consciousness that makes me doubt the original story even more.

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

Quite. Bizarre post. 

[Southern_Bills]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

Mahomes owns the Bills in playoff games (at least so far in his career).   No signs of implosion against the Buffalo D. 

 

I feel like 2020 we shoulda beaten them as well.  Mahomes had a bad ankle in that game and KC had some injury issues.  

 

Bills D has just been a huge disappointment in both Arrowhead losses.  

 

Well in 2020 I can say the Offense stunk too, so the defense doing well would have made it closer but probably still doesn't produce a win. 

 

This year, Josh couldn't have played any better.

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/17/2022 at 8:06 AM, MAJBobby said:

4.  Also right wrong or indifferent Daboll gets credit for Josh’s development. Bienemy doesn’t it was Reid with Mahomes 

 

Interesting that I come across this comment.  On ESPN, Acho was just crediting Daboll with Josh's development, which I think is very generous.  

 

I'd credit Jordan Palmer and Josh himself more than anything.  Daboll was just a lucky recipient of an ultra talented and driven QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Quite. Bizarre post. 

 

That's why I interpreted it as ""someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation (.....) in a civil suit where the standard is 'more likely than not' " and  "the source we did have got P/O'd at us for publishing drunk ***** they said out of context and outing them to the team as flapperlips"

 

I had a little look at their twitter feed and found these gems:

 

Now, we all get caught up in the game and say stupid ***** from time to time. 

But these strike me as a conspiracy-minded dude or dudes, Just Sayin'

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's why I interpreted it as ""someone's lawyer contacted us and threatened to sue for libel and defamation (.....) in a civil suit where the standard is 'more likely than not' " and  "the source we did have got P/O'd at us for publishing drunk ***** they said out of context and outing them to the team as flapperlips"

 

I had a little look at their twitter feed and found these gems:

 

Now, we all get caught up in the game and say stupid ***** from time to time. 

But these strike me as a conspiracy-minded dude or dudes, Just Sayin'

 

I think what was in their article is essentially worthless. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Eric Bienemy has been a good coach his entire career.  Nobody here is debating that."

 

(Except us, when we call him out as "the backchannel communication on him is simply not good", for overruling a 'good plan' for the OL in Superbowl LV, for lacking energy and having a poor attitude in 2021, for feuding with his star QB during 2020, attacking him in a week meeting "for no reason", subsequently having his offensive coordinator responsibilities reduced, and "ruining the AFCCG" with his lack of awareness on timeouts at the end of the 2nd half and with his play calling in the 2nd half.  Other than those little details, he's a Good Coach, HONEST, we're not debating that, We're Just Sayin.....)

 

 

 

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

 

Right.  And furthermore - the Chiefs OL problem was that they lost their franchise LT to an Achilles in the AFCCG, and as a consequence moved their adequate RT to LT, moved a G to RT, and started a backup G in the Superbowl.  That's a lot of new moving parts on OL.

 

If there was a better OL plan in-house, does anyone think 1) Reid would have allowed himself to be talked out of using it? 2) the Chiefs wouldn't have used it the following season, instead of trading for Orlando Brown, making a big FA signing of Joe Thuney, then using 2 draft picks on OL? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

35 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Just the idea that Andy Reid and Mahomes had some master plan for the Super Bowl, but then Bienemy bursts in and tears it all to shreds and gives everyone their marching orders is hilarious to me 

Well, the halftime snack put Reid out of it...

Then it was a simple matter for Bieniemy to hijack the game. 🤔

*
This is a drag.  I finally learn how to spell Belichick, now all we do is talk about Bieniemy. 🤨

Edited February 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Interesting that I come across this comment.  On ESPN, Acho was just crediting Daboll with Josh's development, which I think is very generous.  

 

I'd credit Jordan Palmer and Josh himself more than anything.  Daboll was just a lucky recipient of an ultra talented and driven QB.

 

Part of it might be Daboll has been his OC all along while Mahomes rookie year was Nagy (although, he didn't play)

Also, Bieniemy was previously the RB coach

 

Both those things said, it doesn't seem like a fair standard

 

I liked the quip that the person most responsible for Josh Allen's development (Josh Allen) seems to get the least credit, but I do think Daboll was more than "a lucky recipient".  I think Josh came into the league very raw and not really understanding a lot of aspects of the pro game (reading the D, the protections and how to change them, etc etc) and Daboll worked with him a lot to watch film and improve his understanding.  Josh himself said that looking back, he's embarrassed by how little he understood about the protections his rookie year.   I think a different OC that wouldn't have had patience and put in the time wouldn't have gotten as good a result.