Peter Schrager: Joe Burrow should now be viewed as the top QB in the AFC

[Ray Stonada]

Feels like a classic case of Kay having a crush and Josh having a girlfriend, no?

 

With Schrager it's just clickbait.

 

Kyle is at least kind of consistent, supporting Allen. M-Rob is the best, though.

[Stank_Nasty]

42 minutes ago, Process said:

Looking at Kay's twitter... She's lucky she's pretty

Back in November she said Mac Jones was the best QB in the conference. When she said Burrow over Allen today, i immediately went back to that moment and then just chuckled.... it doesnt warrant any other reaction really.

[John from Riverside]

I mean....give him his due he is obviously good

 

but

 

The bengals had a lot of luck on their side even getting to the super bowl

[RunninRebel37]

1. Mahomes (till Allen gets that ring) 

2. Allen 

3. Watson ( forgotten man -for understandable reasons) 

4. Burrow

5. Jackson/Herbert (take a pick) 

6. Jackson 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

54 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Come on.  Burrow and Herbert are on another level from Derek Carr.  They are clearly on tier 2, just behind Allen.  

 

Dak I agree with.  He's got a cupboard full of toys to play with.  He should be dominant.  He's a tier 3 dude with Carr, Tannehill, Kyler Murray etc.

 

Here's how I see them:

Tier 1A:  Mahomes and Rodgers

Tier 1B: Josh Allen

Tier 2A: Herbert and Burrow

Tier 2B: Stafford and Jackson

Russell Wilson???

Tier 3: Tanny, Murray, Dak, Carr, Cousins

Tier 4: Matt Ryan, Mac Jones

Tier 5: Lawrence, Hurts

Tier 6: journeyman scrubs like Heinicke, Wentz, and raw 1st rounders like Fields and Lance

 

I mostly agree but would simplify with each tier having no particular order 

1. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen

2. Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Jackson

3. Dak, Murray, Watson

4. Carr, Ryan, Murray, Tannehill. Mayfield

5. Cousins, Jones, Garapaolo

6. Too soon to tell - Fields, Lawrence, Wilson, etc

7. Scrubs

[Utah John]

None of these QBs play defense, so if you want to evaluate QBs as QBs, you have to look at what THEY do and not what their team does.  Both Mahomes and Allen can make great, innovative, dynamic plays on a regular basis.  They have both learned to make good decisions.  Both can dissect a defense.  Burrow and Herbert are great passers but I haven't seen the rest of the skill set from them yet.

37 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I mostly agree but would simplify with each tier having no particular order 

1. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen

2. Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Jackson

3. Dak, Murray, Watson

4. Carr, Ryan, Murray, Tannehill. Mayfield

5. Cousins, Jones, Garapaolo

6. Too soon to tell - Fields, Lawrence, Wilson, etc

7. Scrubs

Good ranking.  I can't argue with any of these placements.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Utah John

[Fan in Chicago]

52 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said:

1. Mahomes (till Allen gets that ring) 

2. Allen 

3. Watson ( forgotten man -for understandable reasons) 

4. Burrow

5. Jackson/Herbert (take a pick) 

6. Jackson 

Imo, Burrow and Herbert should be swapped in your list

45 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I mostly agree but would simplify with each tier having no particular order 

1. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen

2. Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Jackson

3. Dak, Murray, Watson

4. Carr, Ryan, Murray, Tannehill. Mayfield

5. Cousins, Jones, Garapaolo

6. Too soon to tell - Fields, Lawrence, Wilson, etc

7. Scrubs

I was a Rodgers fan until this year's playoffs - the second post season where he came up small . All the stats in the world and all the drama but just one ring to show for it. (yea yea I know it's one more than a Bills QB has but for all the accolades he gets and all the gaudy in-season stats, the dude hasn't been able to get to the SB after that one)

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I kinda want to throw Watson in at 

 

1A.5

Assuming he ever plays again, and at his previous level, I'd put Watson at 1C or 2A.  Allen has passed him, imo.

 

Also, I'm seeing quite a few people leaving Rodgers off.  Did he announce his retirement?

[TheBrownBear]

49 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I mostly agree but would simplify with each tier having no particular order 

1. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen

2. Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Jackson

3. Dak, Murray, Watson

4. Carr, Ryan, Murray, Tannehill. Mayfield

5. Cousins, Jones, Garapaolo

6. Too soon to tell - Fields, Lawrence, Wilson, etc

7. Scrubs

Good list.  My only nitpick would be the placement of Cousins.  He's quietly played good football only to be let down by Zimmer's defense.   He's not great, but he is above Ryan and Mayfield in my book.  

 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Greg S said:

Bills fans will say Allen. Chiefs fans will say Mahomes. Bengals fans will say Burrow. The 4 Chargers fans will say Herbert. These 4 are the top QB's in the AFC. I would say Mahomes and Allen are the top 2 and you can rank them anyway you want. These 4 will probably dominate the AFC for the next few seasons.

Mahomes & Allen are 1a/1b. If the braindead coaches didn't butcher that last 13 seconds,  Allen would have beaten KC twice. Burrow got some breaks in the playoffs and help from his defense. All I know is Cincy will now have to navigate a top strength of schedule. And there's a daunting list of quality QBs in the AFC.  Maybe a bunch of joe cool commercials and bling goes to his head?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

It's just a talking point.  Show fodder. And then i see Greg Cosell on Cowherd's show say he didn't think Burrow played great football in the SB or the AFC Championship game.  His protection sucked in the SB.

 

Still makes me ill that Allen played outstanding and we lost because of the overrated #1 D.  

 

The thing about Greg Cosell is, if he says that he will actually has some basis for it, he's watched the film; he would be able to defend that opinion play by play breaking it down.  Schrager and the GMFB crew, OTOH, are just entertainers.

 

I'm not a fan of Cowherd but now I'll have to go find it and see what he says.

 

This it?

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I mostly agree but would simplify with each tier having no particular order 

1. Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen

2. Herbert, Burrow, Wilson, Jackson

3. Dak, Murray, Watson

4. Carr, Ryan, Murray, Tannehill. Mayfield

5. Cousins, Jones, Garapaolo

6. Too soon to tell - Fields, Lawrence, Wilson, etc

7. Scrubs

That's actually a pretty accurate tier ranking. I might switch Lamar and Watson but good list.

[Bubba Gump]

I stopped listening to that ass clown in week two when he said his stone cold lead pipe lock of the week was the Dolphins over the Bills. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

39 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Good list.  My only nitpick would be the placement of Cousins.  He's quietly played good football only to be let down by Zimmer's defense.   He's not great, but he is above Ryan and Mayfield in my book.  

 

Good take. I can see what you are saying. Mayfield battled same shoulder issue that Allen had for a few games last year.  Mayfield's was most of the year though. I think both Ryan and Mayfield's ceilings are higher than Cousins but their floors are probably lower than Cousins. So I can see how you would rank Cousins ahead.

55 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Imo, Burrow and Herbert should be swapped in your list

I was a Rodgers fan until this year's playoffs - the second post season where he came up small . All the stats in the world and all the drama but just one ring to show for it. (yea yea I know it's one more than a Bills QB has but for all the accolades he gets and all the gaudy in-season stats, the dude hasn't been able to get to the SB after that one)

I understand what you are saying.  Rodgers playoff losses are hard to explain.  Some terrie coaching cost him some wins too. Does that sound eerily familiar.  Marino only made one, Manning only made one with the Colts and won his second trophy as the worst player on the Denver offense. Rivers never made the SB. Romo never did. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

6 hours ago, Greg S said:

Bills fans will say Allen. Chiefs fans will say Mahomes. Bengals fans will say Burrow. The 4 Chargers fans will say Herbert. These 4 are the top QB's in the AFC. I would say Mahomes and Allen are the top 2 and you can rank them anyway you want. These 4 will probably dominate the AFC for the next few seasons.

 

And Miami fans say “....er....I wish Flores would have taken the money.”

[fan_in_tx]

Using this logic I ask, was Trent Dilfer the guy when he won the Super Bowl?  Funny I don't remember a single Trent Dilfer commercial endorsement post Super Bowl.  

[frostbitmic]

Burrow was drafted #1 in the 2020 draft, so that pretty much means the Bengals were trash in 2020.  He didn't even get a full season in before missing the rest with a knee injury. Burrow won the AFC in his 2nd year. Burrow, their HC and their GM have done a helluva job, I've got nothing but props for them.

 

Mahomes has won the AFC twice and the Super Bowl once, no way do I put Burrow above him.

 

Josh Allen would be my pick to be Quarterback over any QB in the league.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

[streetkings01]

3 things are for certain on GMF:

 

Schrager will always go with whosever hot at the moment as being the best coach, QB and/or team.

 

Kyle will be so hyped off of sugar booger and/or caffeine that he’ll do something cringe worthy and have you reaching for your remote.

 

Kay will always “yea but” when it comes to Allen and the Bills…..she will give the Ravens, Patriots, Mac Jones or L. Jackson the benefit of the doubt before Allen and/or the Bills.

[Stank_Nasty]

16 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

3 things are for certain on GMF:

 

Schrager will always go with whosever hot at the moment as being the best coach, QB and/or team.

 

Kyle will be so hyped off of sugar booger and/or caffeine that he’ll do something cringe worthy and have you reaching for your remote.

 

Kay will always “yea but” when it comes to Allen and the Bills…..she will give the Ravens, Patriots, Mac Jones or L. Jackson the benefit of the doubt before Allen and/or the Bills.

the other stuff is hit or miss but you NAILED the bolded. She seemed to actively go out of her way to criticize buffalo allllll season. It was odd.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Stank_Nasty