Rams Team Building Strategy Will It Be Duplicated or a Rareity

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

This is simply not true.   Have you heard the term "cap casualty", its not a myth.  The Saints have had to let good talent go several times over the years, as have all teams.  Last year they were in a terrible position, made a bunch of moves, lots of releases and restructures.  And now they are in the same position again this year.  They were not able to "sign all their guys".   For instance during their run, they had to let their All Pro Guard and TE go in one offseason as one example, moves they would have liked to not have had to do.

 

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_7144f39e-8671-11eb-b0ae-4788896c6439.html#:~:text=The first move the Saints,was to restructure Brees' deal.&text=Brees' cap hit was originally,veteran minimum of %241.075 million.

Fair enough.

 

I still stand by the fact that we have a front office of people who are shrewd at making moves when it comes to the salary cap.

 

Some teams are better at it than others.

[bmur66]

It's great it worked out for them. What if it hadn't? 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

Fair enough.

 

I still stand by the fact that we have a front office of people who are shrewd at making moves when it comes to the salary cap.

 

Some teams are better at it than others.

Not going to pretend to be an expert but shrewd moves pretty much always equates to trading future cap space for current period cap space or guaranteeing money on contracts in future years making it harder to move on from players.   I have heard it said "The cap does not forget and the cap does not forgive".  The Saints current situation is proof of that.  Probably contributed to why Payton left too.

Edited February 14, 2022 by 13 Second Prevent Defense

[Mr. WEO]

isn't this really about whether you would rather be the Eagles or the Steelers?

[Virgil]

When they see the fallout, I don’t think teams will copy. 
 

They might not even be able to keep Stafford after next season. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

isn't this really about whether you would rather be the Eagles or the Steelers?

 

 Ah yes, we mustn't forget about the "great" poll. The one where you could only go back exactly 10 years, but not 13 years because it didn't fit the narrative. Or the one I love..... The example of the team that, you know, spent the last decade building to win now and in the future, but currently doesn't have a top 40 QB on their roster for 2022. I guess next year doesn't count as the future? 🤷‍♂️

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

42 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

It's great it worked out for them. What if it hadn't? 

 

It was a calculated roll of the dice by their organization, and if they had lost the criticism heaped on them would already be on overload through the media.

 

Remember at the end of the day only 1 team in every pro sports organization is truly successful when the season ends. But everything you do from the day the season ends is building up for that next chance at a championship and it's no coincidence the Rams made the big trade for Stafford last year after their season ended in the divisional round and before the NFL season was even over. They had a plan and executed on it and weren't going to 'stay the course' like some thing the Bills should do.

[Chicken Boo]

Every year the formula for winning a Super Bowl changes.  

 

There is no one way.  It's different for every team.  The Bills, in my opinion, could take the Rams way of doing things and be ultra successful with Josh Allen at QB, but the opportunity for the right acquisitions first has to present themselves.  

 

Beane seems to take a well-rounded approach as opposed to either or.  (Draft/free agency/trades)

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

Every year the formula for winning a Super Bowl changes.  

 

There is no one way.  It's different for every team.  The Bills, in my opinion, could take the Rams way of doing things and be ultra successful with Josh Allen at QB, but the opportunity for the right acquisitions first has to present themselves.  

 

Beane seems to take a well-rounded approach as opposed to either or.  (Draft/free agency/trades)

 

To be honest the overall formula hasn't changed much and if you look at most teams over the years who have won a championship it's been about the trenches, specifically the dline more times than not.

 

It was the difference last night with the Rams dline ultimately exposing the Bengals poor oline and last year in a major way with the Bucs against the Chiefs.

 

The only real anomaly in recent years was a few years ago in the 49ers/Chiefs SB. The 49ers were dominating that game defensively and had a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter until Mahomes chucked the ball downfield in a desperate play which changed everything. That game is probably the only example of a dominant defense that came up short in the SB in recent memory and ironically a similar outcome happened in the NFC Championship this year in a game the 49ers also should have won.

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

That is kinda where I am. The Rams are unique because the have the best DT, top 5 CB, great pass rusher Von Miller, and some good role players like Leonard Floyd. You can lack depth when your top guys are that good and elevate the other guys.

 

The Bills have the CB and Milano is a really good LB, but I do not think they could sellout the same way as their pass rush just isn't as dynamic. With that said I am all for trading a high draft pick this year for a Cam Jordan or top pass rusher. I just don't see Beane doing that yearly, he is wayyy too future driven.

 

They got it done, but they got a lot of help along the way. 49ers dropped a game ending INT that looked like it was thrown to the DB. Bengals took the lead then couldn't block to save their life.

 

It's not like they did all that and then ran roughshod over teams. If they faced the Bills they likely would have gotten smacked.

[Southern_Bills]

Rarity, they bet the house on last night and it worked. Fact is it usually doesn't, it costs the owner a pile of money to do it.

 

Then on top of it, the Rams will be average at best next year or the year after. It's not sustainable. 

 

I would prefer the Bills situation, of course winning a SB is part of it.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

But my point is the Bills should take that approach… maybe Not as drastic as the Rams but more aggressive with better players in FA/traded at the expense of draft picks and cap if necessary.

It didn’t work out well because Brees’s arm fell off and Philly didn’t have a QB… neither is a problem for the Bills. 

Don’t get me wrong, I feel doing selective FA acquisitions/pick for a trade, Ala Diggs is good medicine, and Beane should pursue such opportunities when they present themselves. 

[MAJBobby]

I hope that it shakes the death grip these GMs have on all their Draft Picks. 
 

I have No issues flipping picks for proven players specially 2nd and Beyond. But I also understand the benefit of the cheap rookie contract as well. 
 

End of the day a successful draft is 3-4 starters. So what if you 2nd was used on a Rookie or an established player. That’s my opinion anyway. 
 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by MAJBobby

[corta765]

33 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They got it done, but they got a lot of help along the way. 49ers dropped a game ending INT that looked like it was thrown to the DB. Bengals took the lead then couldn't block to save their life.

 

It's not like they did all that and then ran roughshod over teams. If they faced the Bills they likely would have gotten smacked.

 

Lets be honest all of sports has luck attached. Norwood repossessions lack second or slips a little and maybe the kick is good. The NBA might be the only sport where a truly best team wins more frequently then not, the rest there are tons of factors at play. In general I think this NFL season had like 8-10 teams who if they won the SB you would've said "yea I am not surprised" and the Rams happened to get a little luck to be that team while playing well.

 

In regards to the Bills maybe they would've beat the Rams, but they couldn't take advantage of the opportunity in KC to just hold on for 13 seconds. This is not directed as you as much as this general notion that Buffalo beating KC meant we were going to the SB and winning. I just can't buy that when they couldn't beat KC, KC faltered themselves to a Bengals team that played far tougher then people thought, and the Rams required a late drive to get by CIN. I buy that Buffalo blew a potentially good opportunity, I don't buy that they would've 100% taken advantage. 

[dpberr]

I think from a cost perspective, going all in for a 1-3 year window will be less expensive than floating an "above average" team for a decade.  The GM and coach don't care - they will be gone by the time the team is terrible.  

 

For the Rams, the trophy will guarantee years of great ticket sales in a brand new stadium and lucrative TV and advertising deals, even when the team ultimately gets terrible.  For the owner, just sit back and watch the money be wheeled in while you make even more money by saving on expenses fielding a crap team that people, being the fools they are, will still spend gobs of money to watch.  

 

If you're the Bills, you want to get to the Super Bowl and win it the year before your new stadium opens so you have that peak interest.  From the Pegulas standpoint, who cares if you never win another one.  You want the team close to a championship, but not quite there yet while you're locking up all that public financing.  

 

A dark view of sports, but trust me, some highly paid consultant lays it out just like that.  

Edited February 14, 2022 by dpberr

[TheFunPolice]

People act like the Rams lit their draft picks on fire. They simply traded one asset for another. 

 

So they don't have picks, but they have stars. Stars can be traded to other teams for high picks if desired. 

 

The Rams could trade a player or two and recoup some high picks.

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Not going to pretend to be an expert but shrewd moves pretty much always equates to trading future cap space for current period cap space or guaranteeing money on contracts in future years making it harder to move on from players.   I have heard it said "The cap does not forget and the cap does not forgive".  The Saints current situation is proof of that.  Probably contributed to why Payton left too.

I'm confident in our team to avoid such circumstances from happening.

[Chaos]

The Chiefs have a high percentage of free agents too. Not sure the Rams are a novelty. 

[DCofNC]

I think some teams might be a little more willing to go to proven difference makers vs hoping picks turn out, if they are contenders.  The Bills came up short and may not have if they had taken similar risks to the Rams.  The Rams are basically going to have to blow their roster up, but they got the ring.  I’d make that trade.

[Coastie]

The formula for winning a SB has constants like an above average QB, decent defense, good coaching etc. But what can not be controlled is the variables. Injuries, officiating, outlier player performances (on either side). All you can do is give yourself the best chance and hope the variables fall your way. The Rams get a huge variable in that they played the what fourth best AFC team? You simply can not control everything.