Why are people always talking pass rusher?

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 6:09 PM, BillsFan130 said:

I think I know what game you're referring  too, the 2018 home opener against the chargers as McDermott openly admitted it.

 

But How do you know that MCD hasn't pulled the playbook from him more out of curiosity?

 

I think with all the head coaching rumours swirling around Frazier the last couple years, I don't think MCD would openly say he pulled it from him again, as he is rooting for his friend to get a head coaching job. (Which would be a bad look on Frazier, if MCD said he pulled the playbook)

 

Not saying you're wrong, I think it's just hard to tell. (unless you actually have proof, Which you may)

 

 

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McDermott was asked about numerous times since and he has always said Leslie calls the plays. The people who need to bring evidence to bear are the people qho argue that is a lie. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 2/13/2022 at 6:05 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

If you wanna base your opinions off one game, sure. Remember Tennessee had a heck of a pass rush against Cincinnati a few weeks back. That worked well for them, right?

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It actually likely would have, if Tannehill hadn't thrown 3 critical completions to guys wearing Bengals jerseys - including the one that led to the winning score

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 2/13/2022 at 6:09 PM, BillsFan130 said:

I think I know what game you're referring  too, the 2018 home opener against the chargers as McDermott openly admitted it.

 

But How do you know that MCD hasn't pulled the playbook from him more out of curiosity?

 

I think with all the head coaching rumours swirling around Frazier the last couple years, I don't think MCD would openly say he pulled it from him again, as he is rooting for his friend to get a head coaching job. (Which would be a bad look on Frazier, if MCD said he pulled the playbook)

 

Not saying you're wrong, I think it's just hard to tell. (unless you actually have proof, Which you may)

 

 

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Exactly.  No matter how people try to spin it, absent McDermott saying that there's only been one game in which I was involved in defensive play calling, none of us will know for sure.

 

The generally poor (and that's an understatement, in some cases) performance of the defense when playing quality QBs (hell, even Tannehill) is hard to explain away, IMO.

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 7:41 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Exactly.  No matter how people try to spin it, absent McDermott saying that there's only been one game in which I was involved in defensive play calling, none of us will know for sure.

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I mean he has pretty much said that. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 2/13/2022 at 7:54 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean he has pretty much said that. 

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He's pretty much said that during Frazier's tenure as DC of the Bills, he's only been involved in defensive play calling one time, that one time being the season opener against the Chargers in 2018?

 

Would love to see that quote, or his comments confirming the same.

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 7:56 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

He's pretty much said that during Frazier's tenure as DC of the Bills, he's only been involved in defensive play calling one time, that one time being the season opener against the Chargers in 2018?

 

Would love to see that quote, or his comments confirming the same.

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It wasn't the season opener. Was the home opener. 

 

The presser I remember vividly was after the slow start on defense last year. It was either the week before or the week after the Tennessee game. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 2/13/2022 at 8:03 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

It wasn't the season opener. Was the home opener. 

 

The presser I remember vividly was after the slow start on defense last year. It was either the week before or the week after the Tennessee game. 

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Ah, yes.  In the season opener, Joe Flacco & Co.  hung 47 points on Frazier's defense.

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 8:21 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Ah, yes.  In the season opener, Joe Flacco & Co.  hung 47 points on Frazier's defense.

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Yes they did. With an assist from Nate Peterman mind you. But yes, they did. 

[BillsFan130]

  On 2/13/2022 at 7:54 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean he has pretty much said that. 

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Again though, Mcd is a leader.

 

When things go bad, he is going to take ownership.

 

When things go good, he is going to give praise so his buddy can get the credit and potentially get a head coaching job.

 

There certainly looked like times this year where Mcd was involved in the defence as he had the play call sheet in is hands.

 

We never will really know, just like we never will really know what happened on the KC kickoff as his response was "we didn't execute".

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by BillsFan130

[Beast]

  On 2/13/2022 at 5:07 PM, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

Prove me wrong?

 

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I’m supposed to prove you wrong that Bruce Smith and Reggie White wouldn’t get sacks on this defense?

 

You are clueless.

 

The Bills were 12th overall in sacks this past season.

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[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 9:51 PM, BillsFan130 said:

Again though, Mcd is a leader.

 

When things go bad, he is going to take ownership.

 

When things go good, he is going to give praise so his buddy can get the credit and potentially get a head coaching job.

 

There certainly looked like times this year where Mcd was involved in the defence as he had the play call sheet in is hands.

 

We never will really know, just like we never will really know what happened on the KC kickoff as his response was "we didn't execute".

 

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He is involved. Nobody is disputing that. But he does not call the plays. By his own words. Leslie Frazier does.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 2/13/2022 at 7:56 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

He's pretty much said that during Frazier's tenure as DC of the Bills, he's only been involved in defensive play calling one time, that one time being the season opener against the Chargers in 2018?

 

Would love to see that quote, or his comments confirming the same.

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Well, for example, it's reported on here:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-mailbag-what-to-make-of-the-alleged-rift-between-sean-mcdermott-and-brian-daboll/article_83474fbe-8b4e-11ec-bcd1-2fda67a415de.html

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Robert Fitzgerald asks: No one seems to be talking about Leslie Frazier being a head coach anymore. Does that say anything about who’s to blame for those 13 seconds?

 

Jay: It certainly could. All the available head coaching jobs have now been filled, but Robert is right that Frazier’s name seemed to disappear from the conversation for any of those openings after the Bills’ loss to the Chiefs. McDermott made it a point during the season to mention how the Bills’ defense is Frazier’s system. That was meant to strengthen Frazier’s candidacy by pouring cold water on the idea the Bills simply run McDermott’s scheme. Of course, it goes the other way, too. When there’s as spectacular a failure as the Bills had on defense against the Chiefs, the defensive-minded head coach is going to have to own that, no matter who called the plays.

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[BillsFan130]

  On 2/13/2022 at 10:14 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

He is involved. Nobody is disputing that. But he does not call the plays. By his own words. Leslie Frazier does.

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Not regularly.

 

But it's impossible to say if he hasn't taking over on some drives during the game.

 

 

[stuvian]

I find that our defense is quite good at getting pressure even though our only signature pass rusher is Jerry Hughes. This team is built differently than the Polian era Bills in that we aren't looking to add one missing piece in FA to get us over the top. I think given how close we are to the best teams I think that's frustrating for the internet GMs on here.

[RyanC883]

  On 2/13/2022 at 5:40 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Name a great QB we faced in the playoffs? It's the playoffs!

 

Lamar Jackson? Watson? Mahomes obviously. I mean who are the better AFC QB's before this season? That's basically 3 of the top 5 in AFC. 

 

We haven't faced Burrow or Herbert yet. Herbert has to actually get to the playoffs.

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you just made my point.  we beat ONE of those in the playoffs.  We beat Jones and last year Jackson and Wentz—who is not a great qb.  

 

And Herbert’s inability to get to the playoffs is due to his overall team, not him.  

 

We are held back by a bend and don’t break D that breaks under pressure.  

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/13/2022 at 11:41 PM, RyanC883 said:

 

you just made my point.  we beat ONE of those in the playoffs.  We beat Jones and last year Jackson and Wentz—who is not a great qb.  

 

And Herbert’s inability to get to the playoffs is due to his overall team, not him.  

 

We are held back by a bend and don’t break D that breaks under pressure.  

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We did not play Wentz last year. 

 

And we are not held back by defense. This year's divisional round was literally the first time our defense has been the major culprit in a playoff loss under this regime. 

[RyanC883]

  On 2/13/2022 at 11:59 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

We did not play Wentz last year. 

 

And we are not held back by defense. This year's divisional round was literally the first time our defense has been the major culprit in a playoff loss under this regime. 

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your right Rivers last year.  

 

otherwise our D has not dictated the game and cost us last year in Champ game and this year in divisional.  

 

We also got gashed this year by a weak front 7 with the Colts game.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/14/2022 at 12:04 AM, RyanC883 said:

 

your right Rivers last year.  

 

otherwise our D has not dictated the game and cost us last year in Champ game and this year in divisional.  

 

We also got gashed this year by a weak front 7 with the Colts game.  

 

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The Championship game last year the D could have done better, sure, but that loss was on offense. 360 total yards ain't getting it done v KC. 

 

I thought your point wae about the playoffs? Now you are throwing the Colts regular season game in? 

[RyanC883]

  On 2/14/2022 at 12:07 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

The Championship game last year the D could have done better, sure, but that loss was on offense. 360 total yards ain't getting it done v KC. 

 

I thought your point wae about the playoffs? Now you are throwing the Colts regular season game in? 

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yeah.   look we disagree, but we are not winning with this vanilla D without a stud in the front 7.  And yeah, why not add the Colts debacle.  Historically bad D performance.  2 this year.  

[GunnerBill]

  On 2/14/2022 at 12:14 AM, RyanC883 said:

 

yeah.   look we disagree, but we are not winning with this vanilla D without a stud in the front 7.  And yeah, why not add the Colts debacle.  Historically bad D performance.  2 this year.  

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True power run teams are a problem for us. But there is not a lot wrong with the defensive scheme and it is not as vanilla as you think. It got more vanilla without Tre. It made it harder to do some of the disguised stuff they do with their safeties when trying to protect two limited corners.