Chiefs OC Eric Bienemy getting 2nd interview with Saints..

[Saxum]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I've seen this about Kafka elsewhere (maybe from you).  Can you explain how you know this?  I'm not challenging your information, would just like to understand its source.  Thanks.

 

Eagles ex-front office executive raved about him:

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"I think he’s incredibly smart and really understands how to distribute route patterns across the field," a former Eagles' personnel executive told SI.com's Eagle Maven when discussing Kafka. "He’s the one putting Tyreek Hill on those deep overs into space and stretching out zone coverages to stress the defenders with concepts."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/former-backup-qb-mike-kafka-could-haunt-eagles-in-new-york

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The arm talent just wasn't there for Kafka but his football IQ and ability to learn different offensive schemes were off the charts.

 

https://sny.tv/articles/get-to-know-new-giants-offensive-coordinator-mike-kafka

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/mike-kafka-helped-develop-patrick-mahomes-appears-to-be-eagles-top-target

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

57 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

 

This definitely doesn’t help his case of being a HC. The fact that your name was involved with this is pretty bad

And it was so terrible that in 2010 the same college brought him back (with promotion to OC) and in 2020 were reportedly ready to offer him the HC position before he declined.

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG

[wppete]

New Orleans should go after Leftwich. Think he will be a good HC. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Could they do that?  I thought the rule change was that assistants could not be blocked from interviewing for coordinator roles.

 

In any case, Reid seems like a guy who cares about the development of his assistants, so if Bieniemy discussed the need for a change with Reid I can't see Reid blocking him.

 

And I can see your point, and yet the counter-point that OCs under McVay and Kyle Shanahan don't seem to have trouble getting jobs, after less time and less success.  Don't McVay and Shanahan also call the plays?

I believe a team can still block a lateral transfer if they’re still under contract.  That includes offensive coordinator.  Could be wrong though.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Counter point: Couldn't he be paired with an OC that has called plays and let that OC call the offense? Many coaches do it that way. 

 

Follow up question: Ken Dorsey hasn't ever called plays. Was he a bad choice to pair with a defensive HC that will likely be handing the keys to the Corvette offense over to him?

Obviously

First question - Absolutely.  If Bieniemy could sell that he’s bringing in a coordinator that will call the plays so he can focus on the supervisory role that a head coach has then sure.  Then it just goes back to the “leader of men” criteria clique that he’d have to sell to the hiring team.  Can he convince them of that?

 

Second question- we’ll see.  McDermott’s already established himself as a solid head coach so he pry gets more leeway.  The first two offensive coordinators he brought in both called plays before.

[Mr. WEO]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And it was so terrible that in 2010 the same college brought him back (with promotion to OC) and in 2020 were reportedly ready to offer him the HC position before he declined.

 

 

 

It just means that Colorado is a program well-known to turn a blind eye to bad behavior by members of its coaching staff.  Vance Joseph for example.

[BuffaloBillyG]

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It just means that Colorado is a program well-known to turn a blind eye to bad behavior by members of its coaching staff.  Vance Joseph for example.

And yet, Joseph was hired as a HC in the NFL. As was Matt Patricia who had a similar accusation thrown his way. So, teams not hiring Bieniemy and using his "rap sheet" on incidents from some that are almost 30 years old seems a tad disingenuous IMO.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I know he doesn't call the plays under Reid but he has been instrumental in their offense over the years and that would definitely hurt them so I hope he gets it...

 

He has had a dozen interviews over the years and never received an offer...I know they talk about racism and this that and the other, but when do we just say that maybe he is a terrible interview?

 

He might be bad at interviewing and explains why he doesn't get a shot, and like you said not being the play caller doesnt help.

 

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I know he doesn't call the plays under Reid but he has been instrumental in their offense over the years and that would definitely hurt them so I hope he gets it...

 

He has had a dozen interviews over the years and never received an offer...I know they talk about racism and this that and the other, but when do we just say that maybe he is a terrible interview?

Eric should take Roger's job.  A win-win situation!

[QLBillsFan]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Bull.

 

Look at the rap sheets and misgivings of a great many owners in the NFL. That's ok though. Kraft, Snyder, Irsay, and the list can go on and on. 

 

Then look at the players in the NFL. Hunt, Mixon, Hill, Clark, Mike freaking Vick and again...list could go on and on.

 

Holding Bieniemy hostage over his own past is hypocritical, lazy group thinking and a huge cop out. 

 

The NFL obviously has no issue having him as an employee. The NFL endorses him year after year as a "recommended candidate" in their Coaching lists they send to all 32 teams. His past is in over argued excuse used by people that can't give a football reason why he isn't hired yet.

I do believe that EB does not interview particularly well. It’s been reported his interviews lack details. He’s had multiple kicks at the can but may be it’s not gonna happen. 

[Southern_Bills]

The not calling plays should be a non issue. Many HCs put that on the OC and it works fine, would be nice if he did but not necessary. 

 

His past is the more likely culprit. When Detroit hired Matt Patricia they went all the way back to his college days to deface him. 

 

NO is going to be bad regardless who gets the job, they are 75M over the cap? So most of the stats will have to be cut or traded. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I do believe that EB does not interview particularly well. It’s been reported his interviews lack details. He’s had multiple kicks at the can but may be it’s not gonna happen. 

 

And why do you believe that? Because other people say that? Because someone sent a Tweet on Twitter? And do you really believe after all the interviews he's done he's not improved?

 

Without looking too hard (front page of 1 google search) I found an article that seems to disagree. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemy-strong-interview-falcons-in-the-mix-next-head-coach

 

"Bieniemy, who is considered one of the top head-coaching candidates and who has interviewed for multiple head-coaching openings, "prepared, knew everything about the team, had a great plan and is a bona fide candidate," the source said."

 

 

That sounds very different than the picture you paint.

 

 

Attached is an article that includes a 2 minute impromptu interview at a highly emotional moment. (Right after Chiefs won Super Bowl). Gave thoughtful, meaningful and insightful answers. Well composed and easily coveys his message. You know, just in case you've never actually heard the mans voice.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-interview-video-head-coach-jeff-allen-super-bowl

 

[QLBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

And why do you believe that? Because other people say that? Because someone sent a Tweet on Twitter? And do you really believe after all the interviews he's done he's not improved?

 

Without looking too hard (front page of 1 google search) I found an article that seems to disagree. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemy-strong-interview-falcons-in-the-mix-next-head-coach

 

"Bieniemy, who is considered one of the top head-coaching candidates and who has interviewed for multiple head-coaching openings, "prepared, knew everything about the team, had a great plan and is a bona fide candidate," the source said."

 

 

That sounds very different than the picture you paint.

 

 

Attached is an article that includes a 2 minute impromptu interview at a highly emotional moment. (Right after Chiefs won Super Bowl). Gave thoughtful, meaningful and insightful answers. Well composed and easily coveys his message. You know, just in case you've never actually heard the mans voice.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-interview-video-head-coach-jeff-allen-super-bowl

 

Ive read several articles on it. I’m actually rooting for the guy. Those articles are easy to find. He’s had 10-12 interviews. Sorry but that is a lot of opportunities. Wish him the best. 

[QLBillsFan]

https://www.thecoldwire.com/why-hasnt-anyone-hired-eric-bieniemy/

 

This is one of several. He has interviewed 14 times. This article focuses on 3 issues. To your point .. the poor interviews are very speculative. 
 

I hope he gets a shot. The non play calling can certainly be overlooked. Several HC were just position coaches. 

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

New Orleans should go after Leftwich. Think he will be a good HC. 

He would have had the Jags gig if he was willing to work with current GM. He flexed to bring in his own in his colleague from Arizona. Khan decided to not go that route. Leftwich to his credit wanted his own gm for all the logic it brings. All on same page and much more stability in getting a real 4-5 year chance. 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

And why do you believe that? Because other people say that? Because someone sent a Tweet on Twitter? And do you really believe after all the interviews he's done he's not improved?

 

Without looking too hard (front page of 1 google search) I found an article that seems to disagree. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemy-strong-interview-falcons-in-the-mix-next-head-coach

 

"Bieniemy, who is considered one of the top head-coaching candidates and who has interviewed for multiple head-coaching openings, "prepared, knew everything about the team, had a great plan and is a bona fide candidate," the source said."

 

 

That sounds very different than the picture you paint.

 

 

Attached is an article that includes a 2 minute impromptu interview at a highly emotional moment. (Right after Chiefs won Super Bowl). Gave thoughtful, meaningful and insightful answers. Well composed and easily coveys his message. You know, just in case you've never actually heard the mans voice.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-interview-video-head-coach-jeff-allen-super-bowl

 

I wonder how much Matt Nagy's flop weighs in on a team's decisions because he definitely should get a shot at HC.

[White Linen]

17 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I know he doesn't call the plays under Reid but he has been instrumental in their offense over the years and that would definitely hurt them so I hope he gets it...

 

He has had a dozen interviews over the years and never received an offer...I know they talk about racism and this that and the other, but when do we just say that maybe he is a terrible interview?

 

How do you know that?

[CoudyBills]

21 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

https://www.sportscasting.com/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemys-troubling-rap-sheet-includes-a-disturbing-assault-charge-against-a-woman/?amp

That explains the Tyreek Hill acceptance.  

[Doc]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And yet, Joseph was hired as a HC in the NFL. As was Matt Patricia who had a similar accusation thrown his way. So, teams not hiring Bieniemy and using his "rap sheet" on incidents from some that are almost 30 years old seems a tad disingenuous IMO.

 

True.  But there are other reasons.  No one is saying that it's just this keeping him from becoming a HC.

[BuffaloBillyG]

35 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  But there are other reasons.  No one is saying that it's just this keeping him from becoming a HC.

True. However, there are 3 other main talking points people like to use when talking about why he's not been hired. Zero of them have a lick of credibility IMO.

 

1. He doesn't call his own plays.

 

There are a good number of head coaches that have never called plays. There are a good number of coaches that have called plays and turn duties over to their Coordinator and don't call plays anyway. See; McDermott, Sean.

 

2. He doesn't interview well/speak well/is unprepared.

 

I've provided links in this post that refute that.

 

3. Kansas City plays too late in the season for him to be considered. The Super Bowl runs hurt him.

 

Oddly enough in this very cycle the Vikings are waiting for Kevin O'Connell. A 36 year old that has only been a coach for 5 seasons, never called his own plays. 

 

What's even more confusing is that most of the people (not saying you in particular) have never seen the man work. They have no clue what he does. They have never heard his voice. Obviously have never sat in on interviews, film studies or know anything about him other than what it says in his Wikipedia page and the talking points that others have stated over and over.