Cap Confusion?

[NakedSquid]

I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much?  I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain.  Thanks 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, NakedSquid said:

I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much?  I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain.  Thanks 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/

Best place to see the details… 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Ugh Freakin Star lol 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, NakedSquid said:

I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much?  I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain.  Thanks 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/

 

Expiring contracts don't count against the cap as basially those players are all due zero in 2022.  The only way the team saves money against next years cap is to either cut a player under contract assuming the dead cap hit isn't larger than the actual cap hit. This past season Star fit into that situation, would have basically cost as much to cut him as keep him.  The other way to save money is to re-do, extend, reduce existing contracts with the players approval.

 

But to answer your question, ignore expiring contracts WRT the 2022 cap.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

NO CONFUSION HERE:

as opposed to 

Daboll now wears the latter.

(Russ Brandon was not involved in the development, manufacture, or marketing of these caps.  No matter what he might claim.)

[Your Brown Eye]

Definitely got to trim the fat off the top, the first 4 on the Spotrac site is $35 mil alone and not nearly worth that to keep around

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

Definitely got to trim the fat off the top, the first 4 on the Spotrac site is $35 mil alone and not nearly worth that to keep around

 

TF are you talking about?  Sort by cap hit.  The top 4 on the list are $63.3M

 

There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White

 

Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds

 

Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around.  Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I could see D. Williams restructure.

 

Mongo, Star, Klein, and Beasley face a ‘restructure or release’ scenario. 
 

I know the team is only around 9 million right now, but they can open it up to ~25 if need be. 

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TF are you talking about?  Sort by cap hit.  The top 4 on the list are $63.3M

 

There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White

 

Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds

 

Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around.  Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is.

I think he was being sarcastic…?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

D line under contract is very underwhelming after Ed. 
 

You’ve got a very expensive Star, and then very unproven Gregory, AJ, Boogie and Mike Love…. 
 

They really need a home run this draft. 
 

A lot of high priced average talent on this roster at this point. 

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TF are you talking about?  Sort by cap hit.  The top 4 on the list are $63.3M

 

There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White

 

Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds

 

Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around.  Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is.

I had to assume sarcasm on that one..

[NoSaint]

53 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Expiring contracts don't count against the cap as basially those players are all due zero in 2022.  The only way the team saves money against next years cap is to either cut a player under contract assuming the dead cap hit isn't larger than the actual cap hit. This past season Star fit into that situation, would have basically cost as much to cut him as keep him.  The other way to save money is to re-do, extend, reduce existing contracts with the players approval.

 

But to answer your question, ignore expiring contracts WRT the 2022 cap.

his point was if 30M comes off the books, whose cap hits are suddenly backfilling that from our existing roster in next years calculation. 
 

IE generally he expected to see $30m to play with but guys are instead just costing more 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I could see D. Williams restructure.

 

Mongo, Star, Klein, and Beasley face a ‘restructure or release’ scenario. 
 

I know the team is only around 9 million right now, but they can open it up to ~25 if need be. 

I think he was being sarcastic…?

 

The Bills are currently over the cap -$1.3M.

They can push some money out to next year BUT Josh Allen's cap hit goes up $24M to $39M next season.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think he was being sarcastic…?

 

It's possible.  In my defense, sometimes it's hard to tell around here.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's possible.  In my defense, sometimes it's hard to tell around here.

 

 

Literally one of the most difficult things to do around here.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Definitely would help.

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

his point was if 30M comes off the books, whose cap hits are suddenly backfilling that from our existing roster in next years calculation. 
 

IE generally he expected to see $30m to play with but guys are instead just costing more 

Some cap hit increases:
- Edmunds went up almost $9M

- Allen up about $6M

- Diggs up about $11.5M - note that the Bills paid him a large portion of his 2011 salary as a signing bonus to create space last year. 
- Sanders and Addison have dead cap of about $3.4M total due to voidable years. 

 

I just got started and there’s about $30M right there. 

[billsfan89]

 

1 hour ago, NakedSquid said:

I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much?  I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain.  Thanks 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/

 

The Bills can free up a lot of space restructuring contracts and they have the option to cut Beasley and Mongo. If they cut those two players and restructure Josh, Diggs, Milano, Tre, Dawkins, Hyde and D.Williams they will have about 36 million in cap space and another 3 million if they want to restructure Star but that would make Star harder to cut in 2023 so pick your poison on that one. Given how the Bills restructured many contracts last off-season I will not be shocked to see them do the same this off-season. 

 

With about 36-39 million to work with the Bills will easily have enough space to resign many of their own free agents but likely not enough to go "big name" hunting in free agency either. Expect the off-season to look similar to 2021 where the team's biggest acquisition (Sanders) was a mid-level acquisition and the rest of the moves were mainly to resign the team's current talent. The draft will likely be where "upgrades" happen. 

[RyanC883]

I’d trade or cut Edmunds, keep Klien and draft a replacement.  Use savings for a true pass rusher.   

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

 

The Bills can free up a lot of space restructuring contracts and they have the option to cut Beasley and Mongo. If they cut those two players and restructure Josh, Diggs, Milano, Tre, Dawkins, Hyde and D.Williams they will have about 36 million in cap space and another 3 million if they want to restructure Star but that would make Star harder to cut in 2023 so pick your poison on that one. Given how the Bills restructured many contracts last off-season I will not be shocked to see them do the same this off-season. 

 

With about 36-39 million to work with the Bills will easily have enough space to resign many of their own free agents but likely not enough to go "big name" hunting in free agency either. Expect the off-season to look similar to 2021 where the team's biggest acquisition (Sanders) was a mid-level acquisition and the rest of the moves were mainly to resign the team's current talent. The draft will likely be where "upgrades" happen. 

 

I’m not as big in keeping some of our guys, and we have not received many “upgrades” in the past few drafts.   Hopefully we get a Chandler Jones or some impact front 7 in FA.  

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Some cap hit increases:
- Edmunds went up almost $9M

- Allen up about $6M

- Diggs up about $11.5M - note that the Bills paid him a large portion of his 2011 salary as a signing bonus to create space last year. 
- Sanders and Addison have dead cap of about $3.4M total due to voidable years. 

 

I just got started and there’s about $30M right there. 

 

Yeppers.  I guess this is as good as any place to congratulate Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox on their bumps in pay in

accordance with the NFL Proven Performance Bonus escalators.  They both got over $1M in 2022 raises!

OTC has great details on the program.

https://overthecap.com/proven-performance-escalator/

[ngbills]

These are the must haves and I expect Beane is working on it:

 

Diggs restrux/extension - $6M savings 

White restrux - $7M savings  

Dawkins restrux - $5M savings

 

Those are the big ones. More can be picked up restrux even Milano, Hyde, Williams, Star, Allen

 

Add in releasing Beasley, Klein, Mata and Ford.

 

We now have $50M in Cap Space...

[thenorthremembers]

Big problem this year, two years of pandemic cap.  We dont have much rollover money $2 millionish, and the cap this year is low 208.2 given the current player salaries.   Going to have to move on from guys like Feliciano, Beasley, and Starr- and then you have a major decision to make with Levi Wallace as his market value should be a little north of $8 million a year.  

 

Management really needs to decide if they are going to stick to their mantra of rewarding players already in the building with contracts for hard work and good play.  Wallace, and Phillips have really earned extensions, but that's probably around $14 million for two guys who are are just good players, not world beaters.   Truth is you need guys like that, but it could come at the cost of spending money on a really nice pass rusher like Chandler Jones.