Jim Harbaugh is going back to Michigan.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Yawn.. He’s nothing special 

He’s done well everywhere he goes.  High drama and not the greatest track record in high stakes games.  Basically the Aaron Rodgers of football.

[vincec]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He’s done well everywhere he goes.  High drama and not the greatest track record in high stakes games.  Basically the Aaron Rodgers of football.

Harbaugh wishes.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Hapless Bills Fan
inserted missing text so the whole chain would make sense

[YoloinOhio]

48 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He’s done well everywhere he goes.  High drama and not the greatest track record in high stakes games.  Basically the Aaron Rodgers of football.

He’s walking back into UM like George costanza. He thought he had an nfl job and told everyone he was leaving. He is crawling back to Michigan after telling recruits and parents that  he wants out,  and then telling his coaches to take a week off to work on their own future jobs. Its an all-time classic Harbaugh WTF. Good luck to him, except for the last Saturday in November. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I did not expect the response to be “elated,” for a guy desperate to leave. 

Abusive codependency? 🤔

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s walking back into UM like George costanza. He thought he had an nfl job and told everyone he was leaving. He is crawling back to Michigan after telling recruits and parents that  he wants out,  and then telling his coaches to take a week off to work on their own future jobs. Its an all-time classic Harbaugh WTF. Good luck to him, except for the last Saturday in November. 

 

Now this sounds tacky indeed

[ExiledInIllinois]

Boy this is a shock!

 

/sarcasm

 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Sooooo........wonder if DeMeko Ryans, the reported front-runner at one point, now thinks differently of his decision to forgoe a second interview?

 

Yesterday's "sham" is tomorrow's "clincher" when the #1 choice goes away

Is Flores upset he pulled the rip cord too early?

[LABILLBACKER]

Kelly would've just punched him out anyway. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

There’s a right way to do this. Have paperwork documented listing all the pros and cons of each candidate and thoughts of the people he met with. Based your decision based on these documents. And, for the love of God, don’t decided on the position until after all candidates have interviewed.

That's exactly what we do that where I work. We also have a formalized rubric of criteria & competencies we grade against.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, LeviF said:

That was really my point. Nobody is arguing that Michigan is a blue chip program or will be at some point. Ten wins and a decent bowl game is a good season for them. Going to the CFP is incredible, but not an expectation. 

 

It is surely the expectation that they win a bowl game once in a while (1-5) and beat Michigan State more often than not (3-4), right? 

 

I get it, regular trips to the CFP and regular victories over Ohio State are probably unrealistic. And hence 2021 was an over achievement. But I think lots of the prior years were under achievements by the same standard. 

 

I have always said the same about Jim Harbaugh no team he coaches will ever suck. Equally no team he coaches will ever win a Championship. 

[LeviF]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is surely the expectation that they win a bowl game once in a while (1-5) and beat Michigan State more often than not (3-4), right? 

 

I get it, regular trips to the CFP and regular victories over Ohio State are probably unrealistic. And hence 2021 was an over achievement. But I think lots of the prior years were under achievements by the same standard. 

 

I have always said the same about Jim Harbaugh no team he coaches will ever suck. Equally no team he coaches will ever win a Championship. 

Maybe, but if that’s the standard how did the three coaches before him do? I seem to remember many years when they weren’t even bowl eligible. 

 

I don’t think Harbaugh is a great coach but he’s probably top half in the NFL if he signed tomorrow. In a league where the bottom 25% get the axe that’s not terrible. 
 

Harbaugh’s issue has always been quarterbacking, and when the issue wasn’t the quarterback (Andrew Luck) he was, again, not at a blue chip program. This isn’t an excuse, since at Michigan the recruiting of said quarterback falls squarely on him. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Maybe, but if that’s the standard how did the three coaches before him do? I seem to remember many years when they weren’t even bowl eligible. 

 

I don’t think Harbaugh is a great coach but he’s probably top half in the NFL if he signed tomorrow. In a league where the bottom 25% get the axe that’s not terrible. 
 

Harbaugh’s issue has always been quarterbacking, and when the issue wasn’t the quarterback (Andrew Luck) he was, again, not at a blue chip program. This isn’t an excuse, since at Michigan the recruiting of said quarterback falls squarely on him. 

 

In the 5 seasons before Harbaugh they went to 4 bowl games and went 1-3 in them. They went 1-4 vs Ohio State and 1-4 vs Michigan State. Two coaches got fired on the basis of those results. Now Harbaugh has won more regular season games, don't get my wrong. He is a better coach than Brady Hoke and Rich Rodriguez. But the standards that got those guys fired for not achieving are not that different to the standards Harbaugh has reached. 2021, he did an excellent job, and I think all the caveats "well it was an experienced team" etc are irrelevant. The team whoever it was made up of made the CFP, was ranked 3rd in the country and beat Ohio State. That is a very good year by Michigan standards it is an over achievement. They can't expect to beat Ohio State and make the CFP every year. Beating Michigan State more often than not and winning bowl games.... that is a standard they can expect and other coaches that didn't do that got fired. 

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

In the 5 seasons before Harbaugh they went to 4 bowl games and went 1-3 in them. They went 1-4 vs Ohio State and 1-4 vs Michigan State. Two coaches got fired on the basis of those results. Now Harbaugh has won more regular season games, don't get my wrong. He is a better coach than Brady Hoke and Rich Rodriguez. But the standards that got those guys fired for not achieving are not that different to the standards Harbaugh has reached. 2021, he did an excellent job, and I think all the caveats "well it was an experienced team" etc are irrelevant. The team whoever it was made up of made the CFP, was ranked 3rd in the country and beat Ohio State. That is a very good year by Michigan standards it is an over achievement. They can't expect to beat Ohio State and make the CFP every year. Beating Michigan State more often than not and winning bowl games.... that is a standard they can expect and other coaches that didn't do that got fired. 

Reality wise Michigan has one of the weakest schedules in college football next year. Their out of conference games are Colorado State, Hawaii, and UConn. they should fall into 10 wins again and his name will be in the mix once more for NFL jobs next year. Rivalry wins, conference championships, playoffs, bowl wins etc are important to cfb fans as a measure of success but the nfl will continue to lean on what he did when he was there. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Willyville Guy]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s walking back into UM like George costanza. He thought he had an nfl job and told everyone he was leaving. He is crawling back to Michigan after telling recruits and parents that  he wants out,  and then telling his coaches to take a week off to work on their own future jobs. Its an all-time classic Harbaugh WTF. Good luck to him, except for the last Saturday in November. 

Just pretend it never happened!

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, wppete said:

Jim Harbaugh is all drama 😂 

He’s never been afraid to milk every good moment he’s ever had for every last dollar it could get him.  

Edited February 3, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

He’s never been afraid to milk every good moment one’s ever had for every last dollar it could get him.  

We need to borrow LinkedIn's 'insightful' light bulb.💡

[eball]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Minnesota going with the Giants DC now? Wonder if the Flores lawsuit is trickling in here. I would HATE to be a team with an open HC job at the moment. It's a 100% lose/lose for them.

 

The day after the lawsuit was filed I noticed a tweet from the Vikings lauding their 2nd HC interview with a black candidate.  It’s extremely possible they thought about things and decided hiring Harbaugh — another white retread — over a black candidate they obviously “like” might not be the prudent move.

 

I don’t like the idea of teams being “pressured” into making certain hires but if the Vikings go that direction in this instance I kinda like it.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

The day after the lawsuit was filed I noticed a tweet from the Vikings lauding their 2nd HC interview with a black candidate.  It’s extremely possible they thought about things and decided hiring Harbaugh — another white retread — over a black candidate they obviously “like” might not be the prudent move.

 

I don’t like the idea of teams being “pressured” into making certain hires but if the Vikings go that direction in this instance I kinda like it.

 

 

Minnesota is hiring O'Connell. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

33 minutes ago, eball said:

 

The day after the lawsuit was filed I noticed a tweet from the Vikings lauding their 2nd HC interview with a black candidate.  It’s extremely possible they thought about things and decided hiring Harbaugh — another white retread — over a black candidate they obviously “like” might not be the prudent move.

 

I don’t like the idea of teams being “pressured” into making certain hires but if the Vikings go that direction in this instance I kinda like it.

 

I agree with what you are saying by and large.

 

My thought, however is that of any white coach the Vikings could choose, Harbaugh and his resume would be an understandable, plausible and even almost bulletproof coach to pick. He has experience, a successful track record and is qualified for the job.

 

The rumor now falls that the Vikings are picking Kevin O'Connell. A 36 year old who has been a coach for 5 years and is yet another Caucasian coach fasttracked into being a HC. This was the first interview he had. After Harbaugh "withdrew" the rumored finalists were O'Connell, Raheem Morris and Patrick Graham. One of those guys isn't like the others.

 

This isn't to say O'Connell won't do the job or didn't win it outright by being the best interview...but the optics on this hire are not great at all.

Edited February 3, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG