Joe Brady for QB Coach? [Now Hired]

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

This is a MAJOR hire if it comes through.  A little nervous it hasn't been announced yet.

 

I'm sure Brady is still holding out that he may get an OC job.

 

 

 

I don't think he is getting an OC job in this cycle. Even with the Bears he was interviewing for QB coach. I know people loved what he did with LSU and that sticks in the mind but anyone who has really watched the Carolina offense in his reign there as OC will see an utter disaster of playcalling. He should have been fired after 1 season and was rightly fired halfway through his second. He needs a year or two in reputation rebuild mode. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think he is getting an OC job in this cycle. Even with the Bears he was interviewing for QB coach. I know people loved what he did with LSU and that sticks in the mind but anyone who has really watched the Carolina offense in his reign there as OC will see an utter disaster of playcalling. He should have been fired after 1 season and was rightly fired halfway through his second. He needs a year or two in reputation rebuild mode. 

 

Is it confirmed he was the play caller and not Rhule?

 

4 minutes ago, sunshynman said:

They better have a good 3 year, must stay, contract with Dorsey. Don't want him to leave after a year for continuity sake.

 

There's no such thing.

 

They can offer Dorsey a 3 or a 5 yr guaranteed contract, but if he has the opportunity to take a HC job in a year, they can't block it.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Is it confirmed he was the play caller and not Rhule?

 

 

Yep. There were calls for him to be stripped of it earlier this season and Rhule confirmed Brady would continue to call plays. Then fired him altogether a couple of weeks later. 

[stevewin]

When I first glanced at the title I somehow in my mind read "Joe Judge for QB coach?" and thought it was going to be one of THOSE threads 😛 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

Yep. There were calls for him to be stripped of it earlier this season and Rhule confirmed Brady would continue to call plays. Then fired him altogether a couple of weeks later. 

 

Ah.  So was it really his play calling that sucked, or was it the lack of a QB who could execute it, and injuries to key players?

McDaniel might not have looked good without Deebo Samuel.

 

I don't watch Carolina so have no idea.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah.  So was it really his play calling that sucked, or was it the lack of a QB who could execute it, and injuries to key players?

McDaniel might not have looked good without Deebo Samuel.

 

I don't watch Carolina so have no idea.

 

Their offensive line was a WRECK last year.  They used 11 different guys, and their starting center played less than half the snaps.  I don't think its a particularly strong unit even with fewer injuries.  

 

In addition the best playmaker played less than 300 snaps with injuries, and they used 3 QBs - Darnold who needs a run game/protection (got neither), Newton (no arm), and Walker (Probably not an NFL player).  Bill walsh couldn't have done a thing with that team.  

[Jim Bob]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah.  So was it really his play calling that sucked, or was it the lack of a QB who could execute it, and injuries to key players?

McDaniel might not have looked good without Deebo Samuel.

 

I don't watch Carolina so have no idea.

 

I have a feeling it was a little bit of injuries and a little bit of Brady being in over his head as an NFL OC that early in his coaching career.

 

I think being a QB coach on this staff is a good spot for him to learn and grow. Plus, if he is happy here, he could be the next OC in a few years if the offense continues to hum and Dorsey gets a head coaching job down the road.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Is it confirmed he was the play caller and not Rhule?

 

 

There's no such thing.

 

They can offer Dorsey a 3 or a 5 yr guaranteed contract, but if he has the opportunity to take a HC job in a year, they can't block it.

 

I think he'd need 2... but what do i know.  Usually the 1 and done coordinators work under someone like McVay at HC - they come from an offensive tree.  Dorsey has worked under Shula and Rivera.  He was fired when they brought in norv turner.  

4 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

 

I have a feeling it was a little bit of injuries and a little bit of Brady being in over his head as an NFL OC that early in his coaching career.

 

I think being a QB coach on this staff is a good spot for him to learn and grow. Plus, if he is happy here, he could be the next OC in a few years if the offense continues to hum and Dorsey gets a head coaching job down the road.

 

I agree, helps get some of the stink off of you to join a team with a more talented offense.  

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah.  So was it really his play calling that sucked, or was it the lack of a QB who could execute it, and injuries to key players?

McDaniel might not have looked good without Deebo Samuel.

 

I don't watch Carolina so have no idea.

 

Don't get me wrong he did not benefit from great Quarterback play, but I 100% think his play calling sucked. I still think he is a talented young coach. He just wasn't ready to be an NFL OC. It was similar to Hackett here who was an NFL Quality Control guy, then got a college OC job then bounced right back as an NFL OC. Doesn't mean they suck or don't have good ideas. But I think often what they really need is just more experience of the league and what game planning and play calling in the NFL really requires. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is getting an OC job in this cycle. Even with the Bears he was interviewing for QB coach. I know people loved what he did with LSU and that sticks in the mind but anyone who has really watched the Carolina offense in his reign there as OC will see an utter disaster of playcalling. He should have been fired after 1 season and was rightly fired halfway through his second. He needs a year or two in reputation rebuild mode. 

Brady was promoted to soon.  Going from passing game coordinator/WR coach at LSU to NFL offensive coordinator in one year was to big of a jump.  But what he did at LSU, a program with almost no history of a high octane passing attack, was exceptional. And the success of the players in the NFL that he coached can not be denied.

 

As for Carolina, not sure Brady can be blamed for that #### storm. First off, the Panthers offense nose dived after Brady was fired. And Brady didn't trade for Sam Darnold or sign Cam Newton or injure CMAC. 

 

Hiring Brady was a great move by the Bills.  He's clearly an offensive minded guy who can design innovative passing schemes.  And he now has a burning desire to prove his detractors wrong.  Oh and I assume Dorsey will be calling the plays not Brady.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

 

I have a feeling it was a little bit of injuries and a little bit of Brady being in over his head as an NFL OC that early in his coaching career.

 

I think being a QB coach on this staff is a good spot for him to learn and grow. Plus, if he is happy here, he could be the next OC in a few years if the offense continues to hum and Dorsey gets a head coaching job down the road.

 

Absolutely the bolded. The talent didn't help, both QB play and some injuries, but he was in over his skies. This is a great spot for him as well as a great spot for the Bills to hire him. 

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Brady was promoted to soon.  Going from passing game coordinator/WR coach at LSU to NFL offensive coordinator in one year was to big of a jump.  But what he did at LSU, a program with almost no history of a high octane passing attack, was exceptional. And the success of the players in the NFL that he coached can not be denied.

 

As for Carolina, not sure Brady can be blamed for that #### storm. First off, the Panthers offense nose dived after Brady was fired. And Brady didn't trade for Sam Darnold or sign Cam Newton or injure CMAC. 

 

Hiring Brady was a great move by the Bills.  He's clearly an offensive minded guy who can design innovative passing schemes.  And he now has a burning desire to prove his detractors wrong.  Oh and I assume Dorsey will be calling the plays not Brady.

 

 

 

The bolded is exactly my point. 

 

And Dorsey 100% is calling the plays. I am not criticising this hire. I had him on my shortlist for this job I published on here yesterday like 3 hours before the news broke. I think it is a great hire by the Bills and a great situation for Joe Brady. But he did suck in Carolina and a lot of the reason was he just wasn't ready to be an NFL OC. 

[uninja]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Absolutely the bolded. The talent didn't help, both QB play and some injuries, but he was in over his skies. This is a great spot for him as well as a great spot for the Bills to hire him. 

 

He really was being asked to polish a turd in Carolina, I don't know what any OC, even a good one, would have done there. Definitely not a good environment to try and learn on the job.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

They didn't have an opening.

 

 

 

 

At QB coach?  Easily made opening.

[skibum]

40 minutes ago, stevewin said:

When I first glanced at the title I somehow in my mind read "Joe Judge for QB coach?" and thought it was going to be one of THOSE threads 😛 

And I thought it said Tom Brady! And I'm like, my God, what is wrong with people???

 

Anyway, it seems like a great hire. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Don't get me wrong he did not benefit from great Quarterback play, but I 100% think his play calling sucked. I still think he is a talented young coach. He just wasn't ready to be an NFL OC. It was similar to Hackett here who was an NFL Quality Control guy, then got a college OC job then bounced right back as an NFL OC. Doesn't mean they suck or don't have good ideas. But I think often what they really need is just more experience of the league and what game planning and play calling in the NFL really requires. 

 

I mean, his QB play pretty much sucked, didn't it? And if McDaniel designed his offense around the skillset of Deebo Samuel and only had him for 7 games as Brady did with CMC, mightn't he look like he sucked?  Feliciano said something in an interview about "there's playcalling, and then there are players who make the play work" while breaking down an outside zone run where Breida made a nice gain but Singletary was being tackled in the backfield.

 

I'm not questioning your conclusion, I guess I'm interested in how you tell that it's the playcalling and not the execution of the plays that are called.

 

And sure, his rise was super-rapid and it may well be that he's a guy who just needs to settle in and figure things out more.

 

At this point, I don't think Josh needs someone who is going to work with him technically every practice (though they may bring in an assistant who can, or he could bring in a consultant, as I understand it Brady used to do this).  He needs someone to look at plays on the sideline and help him figure out the defense/coverage and sometimes rein in his own tendencies.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I mean, his QB play pretty much sucked, didn't it? And if McDaniel designed his offense around the skillset of Deebo Samuel and only had him for 7 games as Brady did with CMC, mightn't he look like he sucked?  Feliciano said something in an interview about "there's playcalling, and then there are players who make the play work" while breaking down an outside zone run where Breida made a nice gain but Singletary was being tackled in the backfield.

 

I'm not questioning your conclusion, I guess I'm interested in how you tell that it's the playcalling and not the execution of the plays that are called.

 

And sure, his rise was super-rapid and it may well be that he's a guy who just needs to settle in and figure things out more.

 

At this point, I don't think Josh needs someone who is going to work with him technically every practice (though they may bring in an assistant who can, or he could bring in a consultant, as I understand it Brady used to do this).  He needs someone to look at plays on the sideline and help him figure out the defense/coverage and sometimes rein in his own tendencies.

 

He kept calling deep shots with Teddy noodle arm at Quarterback. One of the reasons they traded for Darnold is he was involved in convince Rhule he needed a bigger arm for his offense to work. He basically brought the LSU passing attack to Carolina and said to Teddy Bridgewater "there you go, run that." And when that didn't work his answer was change the Quarterback. 

 

And believe me I am the biggest advocate of execution matters more than play calling. I always liked the Chan Gailey line "plays are more fun than fundamentals, and fundamentals are more important than plays." But Joe Brady did a bad job in Carolina. He deserved to be fired sooner than he was. I mean given that he was one of the hottest names going two years ago and that at least 9 teams are overhauling their staff I think it is telling that he hasn't had a single reported OC interview. The teams who have interviewed him have been looking at him as a position coach. 

 

This is a great spot for him. It's a great hire for the Bills. It was the right solution for all parties. 

[st pete gogolak]

This is no comment on Brady other than at LSU, he had Joe Burrow throwing to, among others, Jefferson and Chase and handing off to Edwards-Helaire.  That's mind-boggling!  So when he has incredible talent, he's a great coach (LSU) and when he has no talent (Carolina), he's a bad coach.  Does that mean the jury is still out?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

10 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

This is no comment on Brady other than at LSU, he had Joe Burrow throwing to, among others, Jefferson and Chase and handing off to Edwards-Helaire.  That's mind-boggling!  So when he has incredible talent, he's a great coach (LSU) and when he has no talent (Carolina), he's a bad coach.  Does that mean the jury is still out?

Good thing we have incredible talent then!

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is getting an OC job in this cycle. Even with the Bears he was interviewing for QB coach. I know people loved what he did with LSU and that sticks in the mind but anyone who has really watched the Carolina offense in his reign there as OC will see an utter disaster of playcalling. He should have been fired after 1 season and was rightly fired halfway through his second. He needs a year or two in reputation rebuild mode. 

 

 

If he was going to get one........it was going to be one of the "distressed" variety for not necessarily the right reasons...........like Houston(which is a big LSU alumni town)........or now that the Dolphins are toxic maybe there(he's also from Miami).

 

Better off getting a re-set with a team with a great player at QB and maybe he can fast-track his way back to a promising OC gig and then to HC......all in a 3-4 year span........rather than take another bad situation.....get fired again......and then spend 9 years climbing back to ANY NFL OC job again like Daboll had to.

 

[davefan66]

A lot of tweets he’s signed.  

No announcement by the Bills yet.  Feel it’s not a done deal, and as mentioned above maybe he’s looking for a OC job?