Daboll wasn’t happy with McDermott?

[1ManRaid]

Sounds to me like they were trying to keep Brian "Rooney Rule" Flores interested in interviewing with them by insinuating he'd have a highly sought after OC under him.  It's just the employer version of fluffing up your resume.

[RunTheBall]

I’m glad Daboll is gone, wish him the best as a HC. It’s not that I didn’t like him, I just think he’s gone as far as he could with Buffalo and our O. 

 

Love Dorsey being elevated to OC. I like the continuity with the EP offense and think some new blood can put a new spin on things within the context of our O. Specifically, we need more YAC (I think the lack of YAC was a function of the routes run) and we need more effective (not volume) running from our RBs, not Josh. Josh’s running will always be a part of his game, and it should be. His running is a devastating weapon to defenses and when all else fails he’s proven he can win games with his legs. But, Josh’s running should be a threat not the default. 

 

As for McD, anyone who thinks he’s even close to the hot seat is just projecting their own disappointment. He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL despite the 13 second debacle. He’s learned and evolved as a coach and will continue to do so.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Why would McD have any questions or concerns about Daboll letting Josh throw 45 times a game - in which 5-7 of those become scrambles.  Leaving him behind what at the time was a horrific offensive line.  And virtually zero attempt to establish a run.  

 

All while playing teams you should be man handling anyway.

 

 

 

I really think it's crazy for McD to think he has a say in balancing winning the game, and making sure the franchise QB we want for the next 10 years minimum stays as healthy as possible and not hit some Cam Newton type wall because of taking too much of a beating.  Why would McD consider such madness!  Unleash Josh!

 

Come on folks.  

 

If there was a reason McD stepped in it was to remind Daboll (who he knows with every play call he is basically conducting his HC job interview) of this. 

 

We want Josh to be Aaron Rodgers at 37 not 3 years into retirement.  

Edited February 2, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Billzgobowlin]

15 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

In Flores lawsuit, he claims Brian said he was down on Sean, and even if he wasn't offered an HC job, he wanted out. This is according to Nate Mendelssohn, a beat reporter I guess. 

Sounds more like sour grapes by Flores.  I wouldn't think that to be true

[Marv's Neighbor]

Don't this make your brown eyes blue!

[finn]

17 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

 Also makes sense they didn't waste much time trying to bring in an outside hire to fill the OC spot and stuck with a guy who will probably be forced to be McDermott's lackey in Dorsey.

 

I'm skeptical on that last point. With the job offer from Daboll in New York, Dorsey had all the leverage. He could easily have insisted on autonomy to run the offence with McDermott's interference. In fact, it would have been dumb not to since McDermott is so obviously hostile to a throw-first offense. He wants to punt, play defense, and win by three points. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, finn said:

I'm skeptical on that last point. With the job offer from Daboll in New York, Dorsey had all the leverage. He could easily have insisted on autonomy to run the offence with McDermott's interference. In fact, it would have been dumb not to since McDermott is so obviously hostile to a throw-first offense. He wants to punt, play defense, and win by three points. 

Based on, what exactly?

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

BB has been the NFL for 47 years.  I imagine he has one or two contacts in other teams.    

 

No s**t. That doesn't mean I want my team blabbing inner workings to the guy, with this scenario being one particularly ugly outcome.

 

Personally, I hope it bites Belichick in the ass. I hope he was playing games. It would suck for Flores to get jerked around in order to wreak havoc with two Division rivals (of course the Dolphins bit would be independent of the alleged Rooney Rule charade). But that's Belichick, and nothing is beyond that guy.

[newcam2012]

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean how else do you describe a coach leading his team to the playoffs 4/5 years besides in over his head.

By falling asleep in 13 seconds while at war. You can claim all the little battles along the way but still lose the war. 

55 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m glad Daboll is gone, wish him the best as a HC. It’s not that I didn’t like him, I just think he’s gone as far as he could with Buffalo and our O. 

 

Love Dorsey being elevated to OC. I like the continuity with the EP offense and think some new blood can put a new spin on things within the context of our O. Specifically, we need more YAC (I think the lack of YAC was a function of the routes run) and we need more effective (not volume) running from our RBs, not Josh. Josh’s running will always be a part of his game, and it should be. His running is a devastating weapon to defenses and when all else fails he’s proven he can win games with his legs. But, Josh’s running should be a threat not the default. 

 

As for McD, anyone who thinks he’s even close to the hot seat is just projecting their own disappointment. He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL despite the 13 second debacle. He’s learned and evolved as a coach and will continue to do so.

 

 

Just watch this board will crucify Dorsey. Also, I don't thibk you can easily dismiss the 13 seconds. It was much much bigger than that. 

[finn]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Based on, what exactly?

I'm venting, forgive me. I'm still frustrated that McDermott chose to punt in the KC game on fourth and very short on the Bills 36-yard line (or whatever it was). I give him credit for going on fourth down twice on the first drive, but this was a game in which the Bills had to score on pretty much every opportunity. If he can back up his faith in the defense, that's one thing, but it didn't stop the Chiefs on that next drive, or, famously, when it counted the most. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

 

The text message in question was before the Chiefs game, though (January 11).  

That's true, still seems like alot of conjecture. But oh well not our problem anymore.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Why would McD have any questions or concerns about Daboll letting Josh throw 45 times a game - in which 5-7 of those become scrambles.  Leaving him behind what at the time was a horrific offensive line.  And virtually zero attempt to establish a run.  

 

All while playing teams you should be man handling anyway.

 

 

 

I really think it's crazy for McD to think he has a say in balancing winning the game, and making sure the franchise QB we want for the next 10 years minimum stays as healthy as possible and not hit some Cam Newton type wall because of taking too much of a beating.  Why would McD consider such madness!  Unleash Josh!

 

Come on folks.  

 

If there was a reason McD stepped in it was to remind Daboll (who he knows with every play call he is basically conducting his HC job interview) of this. 

 

We want Josh to be Aaron Rodgers at 37 not 3 years into retirement.  

 

I couldn’t agree with this more.  I’d add only that there’s great benefit in making the D-lineman run side to side early in the game to dilute a pass rush later in the game.  Andy Reid gets this.  We didn’t for awhile this year.  Pin and pull maybe helped that cause a bit.  I don’t know.  But things changed for us dramatically when the run game had even a marginal improvement. 

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head.

 

And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's.

Have you ever made a single post that wasn’t hated, laughed at, ridiculed, etc by like 99% of the posters on TSW?  

[nucci]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I'm skeptical on that last point. With the job offer from Daboll in New York, Dorsey had all the leverage. He could easily have insisted on autonomy to run the offence with McDermott's interference. In fact, it would have been dumb not to since McDermott is so obviously hostile to a throw-first offense. He wants to punt, play defense, and win by three points. 

except for the numerous times, including playoffs where he went for 4th down

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

I’m glad Daboll is gone, wish him the best as a HC. It’s not that I didn’t like him, I just think he’s gone as far as he could with Buffalo and our O. 

 

Love Dorsey being elevated to OC. I like the continuity with the EP offense and think some new blood can put a new spin on things within the context of our O. Specifically, we need more YAC (I think the lack of YAC was a function of the routes run) and we need more effective (not volume) running from our RBs, not Josh. Josh’s running will always be a part of his game, and it should be. His running is a devastating weapon to defenses and when all else fails he’s proven he can win games with his legs. But, Josh’s running should be a threat not the default. 

 

As for McD, anyone who thinks he’s even close to the hot seat is just projecting their own disappointment. He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL despite the 13 second debacle. He’s learned and evolved as a coach and will continue to do so.

 

 

 

I think what we saw in the playoffs was Daboll evolving to the next level...I hope that continues next year and we don't take a step back.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I am glad you brought this up. I was going to. Cosell spoke at length about the problems with the Bills offense about 9-10 games in, and he made an excellent point. He said that running the ball consistently with your running backs isn’t just about gaining rushing yardage, but also about getting d-linemen moving sideways in anticipation. That, he said, is what opens up play action and takes the pressure off of your QB. If you’re clearly de-emphasizing a conventional running game, d-linemen don’t have to worry much about moving laterally to effectively defend rushing plays. Instead, they can just get after the QB. You gotta know that McDermott knows this, and I can only imagine that there were some intense arguments, especially in that phase where the Bills were basically running a spread offense (one that was utterly exposed vs Jax, vs Indy, and vs TB in the first half of that game). To be sure, Daboll adapted and the Bills offense became much more multiple down the stretch. But there may well be some lingering resentment on both of their parts (e.g., McDermott may blame him for the Jax loss, which was a terribly called game on offense). I certainly don’t know for sure if that’s the root of the problem, but it could be. 

I really think you are right he knows that if not for that Jaguars egg there’s a good chance the Bills are in the Super Bowl as KC and Cincy would have had to come here. 

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think what we saw in the playoffs was Daboll evolving to the next level...I hope that continues next year and we don't take a step back.

 

Daboll or Allen?  

 

Allen was unstoppable, but we can't have an OC who game plans a 17 game season around a QB being both the run and pass game.  

 

I just think that's how the offense looks when Allen is unleashed.  For the Playoffs, that's fine.  Not for the regular season though. 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, pocoboy said:

 

Someone who cared would dig into why Belichick would have been in contact with either Buffalo or NYG about the Giants HC job.

 

The answer is likely he wasn't, and was probably being told this information by a certain person whose father was a hardcore New England Patriot fan...and who also had a big part in the whole WFT wagon-circling that got Gruden fired but nothing else.

Or Belichick could have just been speculating like we all were once Joe Schoen was hired.  Daboll has been rumored to NYG ever since they fired Joey Judge.  
 

That’s why I don’t think there’s any way Flores “wins” the case if it goes to court.  But if he’s somehow able to get the NFL to change hiring practices it will be a huge victory.  

12 minutes ago, nucci said:

except for the numerous times, including playoffs where he went for 4th down

If you go for 4th down every opportunity you end up like Brandon Staley.  Look at the stats for McDermott when it comes to 4th down.  He has one of the highest percentages 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Daboll or Allen?  

 

Allen was unstoppable, but we can't have an OC who game plans a 17 game season around a QB being both the run and pass game.  

 

I just think that's how the offense looks when Allen is unleashed.  For the Playoffs, that's fine.  Not for the regular season though. 

 

Both maybe. Why does it always have to be one or the other here? 

[ProcessTruster]

19 hours ago, london_bills said:

A text here that said Frazier wanted out and heath farwell would 'resign' over the chiefs ending.

whoa, wait a second.... so Heath Farwell screwed up the kickoff?   How so?   is there evidence that he, for example, failed to relay a McD short kickoff call to Bass?   What do we know??    I really want to know if this was player or coach screwup and which coach.   Any more evidence??  thanks