Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, stuvian said: interesting hypothesis. Why would Houston feel pressure to hire a black coach but not New Orleans? I could be misinterpreting, but I think the idea is that Houston felt pressure AGAINST hiring the coach they were said to be planning to hire - Josh McCown, who has no coaching experience in the NFL at any level. The Flores lawsuit put pressure on them that they had to hire a more qualified coach, so they chose their internal candidate, Lovie Smith (last year's DC). I'm not sure they felt pressured to hire a Black coach per se - they might have - but I think they want to get McCown in the door as some form of coaching assistant, and Lovie Smith might be the only candidate who would put up with that. Why they're so passionate about Josh McCown I have no idea. Easterby must have prayed about him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Apparently, his indignation at lack of minority representation ends where the possibility of getting millions out of the NFL begins.... My guess is Flores went with the person he thought gave him the best chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be misinterpreting, but I think the idea is that Houston felt pressure AGAINST hiring the coach they were said to be planning to hire - Josh McCown, who has no coaching experience in the NFL at any level. The Flores lawsuit put pressure on them that they had to hire a more qualified coach, so they chose their internal candidate, Lovie Smith (last year's DC). I'm not sure they felt pressured to hire a Black coach per se - they might have - but I think they want to get McCown in the door as some form of coaching assistant, and Lovie Smith might be the only candidate who would put up with that. Why they're so passionate about Josh McCown I have no idea. Easterby must have prayed about him. Probably even McCown was pressuring them not to hire him. 1 minute ago, Chaos said: My guess is Flores went with the person he thought gave him the best chance to win. He'll sue them next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I see it the same as far as the attorneys. Hello Mr. attorney, do you think I should file a discrimination lawsuit against the NFL? Options A) Yes Option B) Perhaps you should take a week or two and evaluate your options, we can file this lawsuit at anytime It's almost comical to think what the answer would be. Pretty early on in this thread, several folks who seem to know their stuff commented that they would not rely upon Wigdor to represent the client's best interest: In addition to this, another member commented on the strategy of specifying that the Broncos interviewers were "drunk" at the interview: 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: My guess is Flores went with the person he thought gave him the best chance to win. Maybe. Or maybe he went with the law firm that promised him what he wanted ("absolutely, Mr Flores, you have a strong claim") when he wanted it (right now), and who would agree to try the case in the press. Maybe there were other law firms he contacted who advised him to take some time to consider before filing, and to be careful to dot 'i's and cross 't's and not make any defamatory claims that would be hard to substantiate, and he didn't like that advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Pretty early on in this thread, several folks who seem to know their stuff commented that they would not rely upon Wigdor to represent the client's best interest: In addition to this, another member commented on the strategy of specifying that the Broncos interviewers were "drunk" at the interview: What sucks and this might have also been pointed out. It would seem statistically probable that a good old boys network has an undercurrent in the NFL. If this is based on air Flores didn't exactly help the cause to make things better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Hsker4life said: Flores seems like a head-case. It’s always everyone else’s fault, never his. I’d stay far away from him. Sounds he learned that in New England where anything wrong, illegal or immoral was not their fault. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 hours ago, stuvian said: interesting hypothesis. Why would Houston feel pressure to hire a black coach but not New Orleans? Because they were the ones who were thinking about hiring a white guy who has never coached in the NFL at any level & would have made a mockery of a coach search if they had hired McCown. The heat was on them after it leaked that the two leading candidates were Flores & McCown and they really didn't want to hire Flores after he filed the lawsuit. So they had to find another candidate, preferably a black man. New Orleans eventually hired a white coach with previous head coaching experience whose defense figured out how to stop Tom Brady & Aaron Rodgers this past season, which was pretty good on his resume His promotion was much more palatable than if Houston had hired McCown. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Flores starting to come off like an egomaniac and narcissist...now he disses the Texans hiring Lovie Smith, another black man, btw, who has a winning record and SB appearance compared to his teams that folded like a cheap tent in the final games of the year with the playoffs on the line more than once. https://www.yahoo.com/news/habib-brian-flores-lawyers-undercut-231204093.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, zow2 said: But the Ooops text from Belichek set him off. My own conspiracy theory based on being in the same division with Bill, is it was no mistake. He wanted to make sure Coach Daboll didn't end up in the AFC East. Since Coach Flores worked for him 9 years, he knew how to piss him off. NFC East is a much better place for Coach Daboll. Edited February 9, 2022 by reddogblitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: My own conspiracy theory based on being in the same division with Bill, is it was no mistake. He wanted to make sure Coach Daboll didn't end up in the AFC East. Since Coach Flores worked for him 9 years, he knew how to piss him off. NFC East is a much better place for Coach Daboll. so BB played him and set him off knowing he's a hothead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Flores is now adding Texans to the last of people he's taking to court. Maybe...just MAYBE Brian was "painted as an angry black man" by the Dolphins....because of actions like this? The sad part is that he raised a lot of valid questions about the league hiring process. Things that SHOULD be addressed and topics that, while uncomfortable for some, do need looked at. But stuff like this will make it all too easy for the talking points to change and it all turn into a huge punchline. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/13/brian-flores-will-amend-his-lawsuit-to-include-a-claim-against-the-texans-for-retaliation/ Edited February 14, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HamSandwhich Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How can we know these came from the Dolphins? Why couldn’t these be fabricated? Asking honestly. Also, even if it wasnt fabricated, these are likely standard exiting procedure for NFL teams. Edited February 23, 2022 by HamSandwhich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: How can we know these came from the Dolphins? Why couldn’t these be fabricated? Asking honestly. Also, even if it wasnt fabricated, these are likely standard exiting procedure for NFL teams. I don’t know, that’s Flores lawyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I feel like I should wait for the movie and not keep following this... so I don't ruin the ending you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know, that’s Flores lawyer Yeah, so he would have a dog in the fight to paint it a certain way then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 12 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: How can we know these came from the Dolphins? Why couldn’t these be fabricated? Asking honestly. Also, even if it wasnt fabricated, these are likely standard exiting procedure for NFL teams. Well, I doubt Flores would forge a document. On the first pic of his law firm's tweet, it says on the bottom of the page where they don't want him to make any disparaging statements against the Dolphins "Flores - Separation Agreement - 1.27.22"; and on the third pic, they provide a document saying Flores refused to sign the separation agreement that has Brandon Shore's (of the Dolphins) signature And even it is standard, the Dolphins specifically denied offering him the NDA in their statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, chongli said: Well, I doubt Flores would forge a document. On the first pic of his law firm's tweet, it says on the bottom of the page where they don't want him to make any disparaging statements against the Dolphins "Flores - Separation Agreement - 1.27.22"; and on the third pic, they provide a document saying Flores refused to sign the separation agreement that has Brandon Shore's (of the Dolphins) signature And even it is standard, the Dolphins specifically denied offering him the NDA in their statement. I am not sure why the Dolphins would deny such an easily verifiable fact. Did they think he would not keep a copy? This is a non-issue in any case. Requiring an NDA in return for full severance benefits is entirely standard practice everywhere. I would have thought that clause was in his employment contract, but even if so, many companies prefer to get another one in place so there are no questions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, chongli said: Well, I doubt Flores would forge a document. On the first pic of his law firm's tweet, it says on the bottom of the page where they don't want him to make any disparaging statements against the Dolphins "Flores - Separation Agreement - 1.27.22"; and on the third pic, they provide a document saying Flores refused to sign the separation agreement that has Brandon Shore's (of the Dolphins) signature And even it is standard, the Dolphins specifically denied offering him the NDA in their statement. So you're going off the idea that they would not lie? People do lie, especially this day and age of appealing to the public. I would take all of this with a grain of salt until it all comes out as what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, FLFan said: I am not sure why the Dolphins would deny such an easily verifiable fact. Did they think he would not keep a copy? This is a non-issue in any case. Requiring an NDA in return for full severance benefits is entirely standard practice everywhere. I would have thought that clause was in his employment contract, but even if so, many companies prefer to get another one in place so there are no questions. I'm sure a non-disparagement clause is standard in such buyouts. The attempt to conflate this as uniquely about him seems performative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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