Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

What

1 minute ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

“The fix was in.” What

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The more obvious leak would be from John Mara.  The captain of the ship.  He's friends with Belicheat, who would have informed him of his screw-up and then Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores

There was no Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores. 

1 hour ago, Governor said:

Of course. Most Bills fans don’t understand how the Giants operate. All major decisions are made by Mara.

 

You can't have it both ways. If all decisions are made by Mara, then he signed off on Daboll or signed off on Schoen having fate control over the coaching hire.

 

If you think "of course" Mara told Belichick they were planning to hire Daboll, then Mara looks bad, Schoen does not look bad

 

And in neither scenario does Daboll "look like a douche"

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

Not at all. Manufacturing outrage.

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

so hes supposed to breach confidentiality with his new team, before even hired, to tell a rival colleague "dont bother im getting the job." LOL. 

A. Not gunna happen

B. Why would Flores listen even if he did?

sry but that makes zero sense

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

That's you making an assumption that Daboll knew he had the job (before he interviewed for the 2nd time, which would be unusual and has not been claimed). 

 

What IS true is that if Daboll told one of his competitors for the job that it was already Daboll's job so the other guy shouldn't bother interviewing, before he had his second interview or discussed contract details or signed a contract, then he certainly would be a douche if something fell through on either side and he didn't take the job (which has happened), but the other guy took himself out of the running on his word. 

 

 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

There was no Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores. 

 

You can't have it both ways. If all decisions are made by Mara, then he signed off on Daboll or signed off on Schoen having fate control over the coaching hire.

 

If you think "of course" Mara told Belichick they were planning to hire Daboll, then Mara looks bad, Schoen does not look bad

 

And in neither scenario does Daboll "look like a douche"

Mara decided to hire Daboll. The Mara family was present for Daboll’s interviews.

 

What happened concerning Flores we can only guess.

 

BB wouldn’t need to contact Schoen. He could just get the news from the guy who does the hiring. No one has any idea who Schoen is here. They just know he’s caught in a racial scandal his first week on the job. 
 

We can’t wait to get the juicy details.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Mara decided to hire Daboll. The Mara family was present for Daboll’s interviews.

 

What happened concerning Flores we can only guess.

 

BB wouldn’t need to contact Schoen. He could just get the news from the guy who does the hiring. No one has any idea who Schoen is here. They just know he’s caught in a racial scandal his first week on the job. 
 

We can’t wait to get the juicy details.

 

OK, we'll leave you to them, and to stew with your thoughts about Daboll being a douche and Schoen "looking bad". 

 

Sounds like you Giants fans get the organization you deserve.

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's you making an assumption that Daboll knew he had the job (before he interviewed for the 2nd time, which would be unusual and has not been claimed). 

 

What IS true is that if Daboll told one of his competitors for the job that it was already his job and the other guy shouldn't bother showing up, before he had his second interview or discussed contract details or signed a contract, then he certainly would be a douche if something fell through and he didn't take the job, but the other guy took himself out of the running.  That would be an asshat move.

 

He likely knew he had the job before “Flores” 2nd scheduled interview, not his own.

 

I’m glad these people are out of Buffalo. The Schoen fella seems pretty slimy. I guess you’d have to be to take the job in the first place.

 

Mara: Ok, I decide who the starting QB is.

 

Schoen: Yes sir. That sounds great!

 

Daboll: Daniel Jones is my QB!

 

 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

so hes supposed to breach confidentiality with his new team, before even hired, to tell a rival colleague "dont bother im getting the job." LOL. 

A. Not gunna happen

B. Why would Flores listen even if he did?

sry but that makes zero sense

 

it’s at best a messy moral situation right?

 

I think we all know being part of a sham isn’t the right thing… but to receive a huge reward at the expense of someone else’s minor inconvenience due to a third parties rule?

 

it’s hard to say I’d be mad at anyone about it but also not something I’d be particularly proud of if I did it myself either 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Governor said:

He likely knew he had the job before “Flores” 2nd scheduled interview, not his own.

 

If you bothered to familiarize yourself with the details (again, given up thread) Belicheck is supposed to have sent those texts 3 days before Flores interview.

Daboll's second interview was 2 days before Flores interview.

 

So if Daboll was supposed to react to Belichick's alleged texts (which you would have to assume were re-sent to the correct Brian) by advising his former co-worker Flores that "the fix was in" (as you put it), he would have had to react before his own second interview.

 

12 minutes ago, Governor said:

I’m glad these people are out of Buffalo. The Schoen fella seems pretty slimy. I guess you’d have to be to take the job in the first place.

 

Mara: Ok, I decide who the starting QB is.

Schoen: Yes sir. That sounds great!

Daboll: Daniel Jones is my QB!

 

Let me guess, your day job is writing tacky fantasy stuff.

31 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Not at all. Manufacturing outrage.

 

This

[QCity]

If Ross did in fact offer $100K to Flores to throw games, he certainly must have gave orders to Grier to sit on his hands as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

it’s at best a messy moral situation right?

 

I think we all know being part of a sham isn’t the right thing… but to receive a huge reward at the expense of someone else’s minor inconvenience due to a third parties rule?

 

it’s hard to say I’d be mad at anyone about it but also not something I’d be particularly proud of if I did it myself either 

 

The point here is that Belichick's texts were said to have been sent on Monday.  Reacting then would be reacting to 3rd party hearsay.

 

Daboll's second interview was Tuesday.  Even if he did walk away feeling pretty positive or having hints, it's not a messy moral situation unless he was actually told "you're our guy, we want to hire you" and they then got his agent on the phone and completed ironing out the contract details to the point where it was a true "done deal".  And we have no information at all that suggests this happened during his 2nd interview on Tuesday.

 

Yes, if he was actually presented with a verball offer and a contract on Tues and took it home to review with his agent, he would be "part of a sham" of Flores Thursday interview, but the information in Flores lawsuit (Belichick's "Ooopsie!" texts) is way way way short of that - and in fact, implies that Belichick was telling Daboll something he didn't know.

[Governor]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you bothered to familiarize yourself with the details (again, given up thread) Belicheck is supposed to have sent those texts 3 days before Flores interview.

Daboll's second interview was 2 days before Flores interview.

 

So if Daboll was supposed to react to Belichick's alleged texts (which you would have to assume were re-sent to the correct Brian) by advising his former co-worker Flores that "the fix was in" (as you put it), he would have had to react before his own second interview.

 

 

Let me guess, your day job is writing tacky fantasy stuff.

 

This

I never said that I thought the fix was in. You did. You claimed that Daboll had the job on day 1. 
 

I said that it was “Flores’ job to lose” which he apparently did in the 11th hour, if you accept the Giant’s response to the accusations.

 

You went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before I did. I simply followed you down and threw out some possibilities if I were to believe your theory, and commented on the possible fallout from the gruesome racial scandal ex-Bills could be part of.

 

You said I was wrong.

 

The Giants said I was right.

 

If you’re a fan of Daboll and Schoen, you want this story to end. You should want to accept the Giant’s response, but that would also mean accepting that you were wrong by saying Daboll had the job on day 1 days ago when I originally posted that it was Flores job to lose.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Governor

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

If a minority coach feels it's degrading, don't accept an interview.  As you said, the rule was meant to get them interviews.  There was no guarantee of getting the job.

 

I just don't see what the solution is.  Get rid of the rule?  Force teams to hire minority coaches?

 

 

I don't think Schoen did anything wrong.  Daboll was the target all along.  He knew him well, the Bills offense was great and they needed to fix Jones, on whom they took 6th overall, and Daboll fixed Josh.  There's no racism involved: they just had to fulfill league rules by interviewing Flores.

This is my take. The Rooney rule isn't perfect. But teams will most certainly avoid BIPOC without. So without a clear improvement on the Rooney rule, I can’t imagine moving on from it. 
 

That said. I think Schoen locked in on Daboll as well. I don’t think Schoen did anything wrong himself. But at scale, this is most certainly an issue for BIPOC candidates. 
 

 

[FireChans]

38 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is my take. The Rooney rule isn't perfect. But teams will most certainly avoid BIPOC without. So without a clear improvement on the Rooney rule, I can’t imagine moving on from it. 
 

That said. I think Schoen locked in on Daboll as well. I don’t think Schoen did anything wrong himself. But at scale, this is most certainly an issue for BIPOC candidates. 
 

 

Just make a lotto system that the worst 5 teams with HC openings draw on, and whoever wins has to hire a black HC.

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Just make a lotto system that the worst 5 teams with HC openings draw on, and whoever wins has to hire a black HC.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

Players didn’t strike over Kaep, they aren’t striking over Flo.

 

Tua certainly won’t be picketing.

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

Some players also reportedly didn’t like or get along with Flores. He fired multiple OC’s and literally didn’t talk to the vast majority of his coaching staff after Thanksgiving. Establishing an issue of poor communication and lack of people skills. Important as a leader in any industry. 
The thought of nfl players 70% of which are black striking is ridiculous.
 

21% of HC coaches hired since the Rooney rule have been minorities. Wilkes and Culley each only got one year and they have been certainly wronged. Currently Leftwich and Bowles are two examples of black coaches better positioned to be hired this cycle. Hot OC (similar to DB), or former coach w mixed results as HC having earned another shot via great DC workin TB. I would not been shocked if Flores got or potentially still does got a HC job. But it’s rare to get fired with a sub .500 record and immediately get another HC spot. Gase somehow did but it’s a short list. 
 

I’m guessing that Congress will have no interest in getting involved in the NFL. The right thing to do is hire the best candidates for the job regardless of ethnicity.
Flores has a case of ethics with respect to Ross. But, dragging two others franchises into the racial muck along with BB in the name of a greater cause seems all about Flores. 

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The point here is that Belichick's texts were said to have been sent on Monday.  Reacting then would be reacting to 3rd party hearsay.

 

Daboll's second interview was Tuesday.  Even if he did walk away feeling pretty positive or having hints, it's not a messy moral situation unless he was actually told "you're our guy, we want to hire you" and they then got his agent on the phone and completed ironing out the contract details to the point where it was a true "done deal".  And we have no information at all that suggests this happened during his 2nd interview on Tuesday.

 

Yes, if he was actually presented with a verball offer and a contract on Tues and took it home to review with his agent, he would be "part of a sham" of Flores Thursday interview, but the information in Flores lawsuit (Belichick's "Ooopsie!" texts) is way way way short of that - and in fact, implies that Belichick was telling Daboll something he didn't know.

 

I may have haphazardly stumbled into a conversation I was only halfway up to speed on… but was speaking in the general sense of had it been known, that would obviously be a messy moral spot. If daboll had no clue there would clearly be no way to remotely call him out in the process. The guy I was responding to had posted about “what was he supposed to do, divulge he knew to Flores”
 

If he was an active participant I wouldn’t fault him but likewise know that good people wouldn’t be prideful about doing even if it is right for them and their family to make the huge jump at all cost 

[JMF2006]

Will the Patriots and Belliacheat come under investigation for tampering?

 

Tweeting about a hire before it even happened and all of the interviews had not been completed is tampering.

 

He is not a member of the media he is on one of the 32 competing clubs

Edited February 3, 2022 by JMF2006
not media