Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[1ManRaid]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Belichick would know exactly how Flores would react also. 

 

And he does have an adversarial history with the Giants and Bills...  😆

Edited February 2, 2022 by 1ManRaid

[Ayjent]

This a law firm that is attempting to cash in on PR and spin to force a settlement while taking advantage of someone who is rightfully disgruntled by experiences over the past few years that are ugly.  Thing is that the only winner in this will be the law firm representing Flores because they aren’t interest in social justice or anything like it - this is great publicity for them and has them sitting pretty to get this settled ASAP to prevent further damage to the integrity of the NFL.  As a Bills fan Ross is a gem bc he ensures dysfunction for the Dolphins, but as a person he is a huge POS that deserves all of the bad press he receives.  To those thinking Ross will lose the team see Washington FT and Dan Snyder.  Not likely IMO.

 

Flores is going to be lucky to land anything higher than a DC position in his next gig and no team right now is going to take on the circus that follows him.  It’ll be at least a year before someone goes there, if ever.  And that is the unfortunate part.  He’s a pretty damn good coach that was winning in spite of the organization.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Ayjent

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

This a law firm that is attempting to cash in on PR and spin to force a settlement while taking advantage of someone who is rightfully disgruntled by experiences over the past few years that are ugly.  Thing is that the only winner in this will be the law firm representing Flores because they aren’t interest in social justice or anything like it - this is great publicity for them and has them sitting pretty to get this settled ASAP to prevent further damage to the integrity of the NFL.  As a Bills fan Ross is a gem bc he ensures dysfunction for the Dolphins, but as a person he is a huge POS that deserves all of the bad press he receives.  To those thinking Ross will lose the team see Washington FT and Dan Snyder.  Not likely IMO.

Widgor isn’t some shady firm trying to make a name for themselves. They’re heavy hitters. 

[Ayjent]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Widgor isn’t some shady firm trying to make a name for themselves. They’re heavy hitters. 

I’m not saying they don’t know what they’re doing.  I’m saying they are self-interested in the best result for themselves not their client, which is already very obvious.

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Ayjent said:

I’m not saying they don’t know what they’re doing.  I’m saying they are self-interested in the best result for themselves not their client, which is already very obvious.

In what way is that obvious? These guys represented Harvey Weinstein victims and sued Fox News for sexual harassment. What suggests that they take all these cases solely out of self-interest? 

[Ayjent]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

In what way is that obvious? These guys represented Harvey Weinstein victims and sued Fox News for sexual harassment. What suggests that they take all these cases solely out of self-interest? 

The results of basically nuking his career in the NFL and a lot of divisive publicity that will forever surround him.  There are better and more practical legal strategies that don’t go full PR blitz while still seeking to address issues.  I do it all the time in my labor law practice and I would never advise my client against their interests as an ethical matter.  None of the legal strategies here help his long term career.  But I will say that I don’t know what Flores motives are in all of this, but for a guy that clearly wanted to be a NFL head coach and seemed to take the high road before reaching a tipping point that goal seems unlikely anytime soon, and he is likely clouded by his frustration.

[PatsFanNH]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

I mean, we all know it’s a sham.  
 

If Belichick said he’s leaving New England and wants to go to the Giants as HC.  We really thinking they’re interviewing people like Flores in good faith?  It’s all performative.. They wanted Daboll, from at least when Schoen was hired.  Guess they should’ve hidden it better?

 

 

What is that REAL change?

 

Forced minority hires?  I mean, what else can they do but mandate teams interview minority candidates.   Giants wanted Daboll, should they hire someone else because Daboll’s white?
 

If it makes you feel better, that happens quite a bit in corporate America. 
 

(Fwiw, I don’t think Flores should’ve been fired in the first place, but I can’t really get on board with all this outrage)

 

 

Maybe say every team has to have 1 minority assistant coaches. (That means 1 out of all the position coaches,DC,Special teams coaches, and OC and HC.) So if nothing else maybe promoting getting more QUALIFIED  candidates to be a HC in the future? It’s just an idea.

[ProcessYaDigg]

15 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

How long until we get sued for the two sham interviews we did for OC

This is the problem with the Rooney rule.  There wasn't any competition for the OC job.  I believe all along that the Bills were gonna promote Dorsey no matter what. He is there guy.  But because of the Rooney rule, they had to do their due diligence and interview 2 minority coaches.  All teams do this.  For the most part, they already have their guy in mind on who they want to hire, therefore, this rule gives too much false hope and actually does more harm then good. 

[bmur66]

The Rooney Rule is racist. You can't eliminate racism by being racist. 

[Coach Tuesday]

36 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Widgor isn’t some shady firm trying to make a name for themselves. They’re heavy hitters. 

False, their MO is to litigate in the press.  They do not have a good reputation in terms of accuracy or ethics.  They only half care about winning in the courtroom for their client - they also are brand-obsessed and love litigating in the press.  As I said upthread, I would not be surprised to see many of these allegations eventually walked back.

Just now, bmur66 said:

The Rooney Rule is racist. You can't eliminate racism by being racist. 

Terrible take.

21 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

The results of basically nuking his career in the NFL and a lot of divisive publicity that will forever surround him.  There are better and more practical legal strategies that don’t go full PR blitz while still seeking to address issues.  I do it all the time in my labor law practice and I would never advise my client against their interests as an ethical matter.  None of the legal strategies here help his long term career.  But I will say that I don’t know what Flores motives are in all of this, but for a guy that clearly wanted to be a NFL head coach and seemed to take the high road before reaching a tipping point that goal seems unlikely anytime soon, and he is likely clouded by his frustration.

Again this is not atypical for Wigdor - I’ve seen them often pursue strategies that are bad for their clients but good for their own brand.  When I first read the Complaint it struck me as another example of that.

[CoudyBills]

12 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

They have to interview two external minority candidates for a HC opening though.

They may have screwed up then.  Should have interviewed Patrick Graham sooner.  Frazier and Graham were never going to be hired for the position.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

When Flores got those texts from Belichick, he shouldn't have revealed who he was.  He should have gotten additional details from BB on who specifically gave him that info and what was said, to secure evidence.  Then send it to the league like "woops, looks like the Giants hired their new HC without satisfying the Rooney Rule first".

 

Might be possible the league demands BB's cell to get his call/text records to investigate the claims.  See if another phone gets destroyed like Brady.

 

*edit*

I also wouldn't put it past BB to have leaked that info on purpose in some kind of 4D chess move lol.

Ultimately, even if the giants were into daboll, the argument for the league for years is that their goal was to get more guys in the process - both for experience and for the possibility of surprising the team and changing their plans. 
 

Unless they had signatures from daboll - it’s possible he could’ve still ended up in Miami even.

 

that said, Flores being frustrated with feeling like a token interview is also fair. 

[eball]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There something like 14 black head coaches out of 130 FBS college football schools.

 

How many black offensive coordinators do you think there are.

 

It's not an NFL problem. College football is even worse when you think about boosters and alumni basically making the hires. 

 

 

 

I hate to bring up that whole “systemic” thing, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

 

[ALF]

Keep the two 3rd rd picks reward but don't mandate what could be viewed as token interviews.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

fired after 10-6 and 9-8 records....

Doug Marrone walked away after 9–7 and couldn’t get a job.

 

Being difficult to work with matters. Being crappy to your top 5 pick at QB would scare away teams who want you to *gasp* develop a QB.

 

The Maras love Daniel Jones. Knowing what you know about Tua and Flores, why the ***** would you hire that guy?

[JoPoy88]

43 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

The results of basically nuking his career in the NFL and a lot of divisive publicity that will forever surround him.  There are better and more practical legal strategies that don’t go full PR blitz while still seeking to address issues.  I do it all the time in my labor law practice and I would never advise my client against their interests as an ethical matter.  None of the legal strategies here help his long term career.  But I will say that I don’t know what Flores motives are in all of this, but for a guy that clearly wanted to be a NFL head coach and seemed to take the high road before reaching a tipping point that goal seems unlikely anytime soon, and he is likely clouded by his frustration.

Agree I don’t know exactly what Flores’ motivations are either or if he went along with this strategy clear-headed. I just don’t see any evidence that Wigdor is purposely fireballing his career to maximize exposure to gain clout. They may honestly believe it’s the best strategy against entities like the NFL. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Agree I don’t know exactly what Flores’ motivations are either or if he went along with this strategy clear-headed. I just don’t see any evidence that Wigdor is purposely fireballing his career to maximize exposure to gain clout. They may honestly believe it’s the best strategy against entities like the NFL. 

More likely they believe it’s the best strategy for enhancing their own brand.

[Sharky7337]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The miami roster in 2019 was without question the worst in the league with regard to talent. Pretending otherwise is just bias. The fact that he went 5-11 with a 1-15 team (talent-wise) and was competitive the entire second half of the season was good coaching, and everyone in the NFL knew it. Re: your line above, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

That's great but what about this year's start?

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

More likely they believe it’s the best strategy for enhancing their own brand.

Definitely possible. And their past cases did garner publicity. I guess without knowing exactly what Flores’ goals are with this it’s hard to tell if how they’re going about is foolish or not. If he wants to embarrass the league at all costs, for example, going with these guys and their playbook makes some sense.

 

I did see this morning that his lawyers are appearing on the Today show today, so there’s that.

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Definitely possible. And their past cases did garner publicity. I guess without knowing exactly what Flores’ goals are with this it’s hard to tell if how they’re going about is foolish or not. If he wants to embarrass the league at all costs, for example, going with these guys and their playbook makes some sense.

 

I did see this morning that his lawyers are appearing on the Today show today, so there’s that.

They publish their complaints on Twitter as soon as they file them.  The first page is always drafted to generate max publicity.  It’s impressive but it’s also very much a strategy.