Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[bobobonators]

This is a nuanced topic. Im against someone being hired bc of their

race as much as im opposed to someone being rejected bc of their race. 
 

I think we can all agree the NFL has a problem. The majority of players are black. The vast majority of coaches are white. All the owners are white. Im pretty good at math and that doesnt add up properly. 

Forget about discussing the owners being white - thats too obvious and beyond the realm of fixable. 
 

As for the coaches being white…logic and reason would suggest some of the best candidates to coach a team are those who have been around the game. Logic follows players are around the game. Following that logic most NFL coaches have played football either in the NFL or in college at some point, regardless of how good they were - they played. Awesome. Logic is flowing so far.
 

A very good portion of NCAA football players are black. The overwhelming majority of NFL players are black. Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of HC and coaching assistants are NOT black. Logic and reason are now broken. We have a problem. 
 

Are former black football players simply not interested in coaching? I dunno. Theres no point in lying to each other. I think if we have an honest conversation we can admit somewhere along the chain there is a serious problem. The question is how do we fix it. Im not sure the Rooney rule is the solution. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by bobobonators

[major]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Congress is going to get involved if this isn't retracted quickly - you can't have an owner of an antitrust-exempt business, on which betting is now legal, paying coaches to lose.  This is EPIC.

💣

[wppete]

23 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

So, if I'm reading this right Flores says that Daboll was willing to come be his OC in a lateral move?

 

 

That is laughable. There is no way Dabol would’ve left Josh Allen for a lateral move and risking his chances at a future HC job with Tua and Flores who is clearly a head-case.  

[billieve420]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It’s not cut and dry, but how likely is it that 31 head coaching jobs (minus Belichik because he was pre-rooney rule) have had to interview a black candidate and only 1 of those 31 jobs currently have a black head coach.  The Rooney Rule is a joke.  And the NFL is gonna have to fork over a ton of money.  

Maybe all things being equal majority of owners and GMs which are white are going to hire people they relate to in a lot of instances. Until you start seeing more diversity at top starting with owners there will always be some discrepancy. However, life isn’t fair and even then doesn’t guarantee anything. Shad Khan is a non white owner and none of his hires so far have included a minority coach.

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

That is laughable. There is no way Dabol would’ve left Josh Allen for a lateral move and risking his chances at a future HC job with Tua and Flores who is clearly a head-case.  

 

How could Flores know who he wanted for his OC without complying with the Rooney Rule and giving everyone a fair shake?

[major]

6 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

take em all down flores. expose these the nfl for what it is.

Hope Goodell gets canned too

[Warcodered]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Belichick changed his contacts to Black Brian and White Brian. Won't happen again.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

Klis has a series of tweets basically claiming that Flores claims about his Broncos interview are FOS.

 

 

 

 

One of the comments:

 

Another:

 

[major]

What if - and believe me this is hypothetical - but if you were offered $100,000 to tank a game by an owner, how much do you think a serious gambler would be willing to pay you to lose a game, throw an interception, fumble a ball, etc.  Would that do anything for you? #officespace

 

Seriously, this rabbit hole has the potential to open up all kind of dirty laundry. All

thanks to Bill Belicheat and technology (how poetic)

[BillnutinHouston]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Pretty obvious we never were hiring Tee Martin if Dorsey accepted the contract offer.  
 

 

 

As evidenced by........what?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

For those who don't know, Florio is pretty well qualified to speak on topics like this. He is an attorney, and his specialty was employment law.

 

[TheFunPolice]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For those who don't know, Florio is pretty well qualified to speak on topics like this. He is an attorney, and his specialty was employment law.

 

 

And he LOVES negative stories about the NFL.

 

Maybe Flores is telling the truth, and his own hiring practices and treatment of players was due to what he thought was best 

 

Here's a question for Flores: how many co- offensive coordinators are there in the NFL? I wonder how Studesville felt about being essentially told he didn't deserve a shot to truly run an offense?

 

Easy to question others but when it came time to decide who to stake his career to Flores didn't seem overly concerned about diversity in his staff.

 

Now we're supposed to say how brave he is? No brave would be to take a stand and hire a black OC and DC.

 

Prove a point. There's tons of highly qualified guys. And God knows he chewed through staff so he made plenty of hires. So what gives? 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Cruiserplayer]

Wonder if Flores reported the 1.1 million dollar cash bonus he received? Now that could be trouble.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

And he LOVES negative stories about the NFL.

 

Maybe Flores is telling the truth, and his own hiring practices and treatment of players was due to what he thought was best 

 

Here's a question for Flores: how many co& offensive coordinators are there in the NFL? I wonder how Studesville felt about being essentially told he didn't deserve a shot to truly run an offense

Not just NFL, college football. A lot of coaches work their way up. We just rarely see young black offensive coaches get QB coach and OC jobs.

 

 

[Augie]

42 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Does it bother anyone else that our Offensive Coordinator had (at least on some level) a texting relationship with a divisional opponents head coach?

 

 

 

 

 

No. They are adults. 

[ghostwriter]

I don’t know how this is going to end up, but my heart breaks for Flores. I think he’s a very good coach and I’ve had nothing but love and respect for him because of the way he played the Patriots for all those years down in Miami. Ultimately this is a guy that I was hoping would replace Frazier, so at this point I just really feel bad for him and I hope he lands somewhere. God bless him. 🙏

[PolishPrince]

41 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

This is a nuanced topic. Im against someone being hired bc of their

race as much as im opposed to someone being rejected bc of their race. 
 

I think we can all agree the NFL has a problem. The majority of players are black. The vast majority of coaches are white. All the owners are white. Im pretty good at math and that doesnt add up properly. 

Forget about discussing the owners being white - thats too obvious and beyond the realm of fixable. 
 

As for the coaches being white…logic and reason would suggest some of the best candidates to coach a team are those who have been around the game. Logic follows players are around the game. Following that logic most NFL coaches have played football either in the NFL or in college at some point, regardless of how good they were - they played. Awesome. Logic is flowing so far.
 

A very good portion of NCAA football players are black. The overwhelming majority of NFL players are black. Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of HC and coaching assistants are NOT black. Logic and reason are now broken. We have a problem. 
 

Are former black football players simply not interested in coaching? I dunno. Theres no point in lying to each other. I think if we have an honest conversation we can admit somewhere along the chain there is a serious problem. The question is how do we fix it. Im not sure the Rooney rule is the solution. 

This is such a bad argument. Why does it have to be even ratios of race on white to black? I would argue most coaches did not play very long because they simply werent that good, but loved the game - so they transitioned to the coaching side early in their career instead of being banged up and battered for a decade or more on the field. Nothing wrong with this, just saying maybe a player is more "done" after getting beaten up so long.

 

What NFL head coaches were long time players? I can think of Reich and Vrabel, not like I have an extensive knowledge of all the coaches playing careers. Most coaches, Belicheck, Reid, Carroll, Arians, McDermott, Tomlin...even up and coming coordinators and coaches like Dorsey, Kellen Moore had short careers that did basically nothing after college. Look at the new young coaches, Shannahan, McVay, Bengals Zack whatever, Stefanski. They are young coaches because they pretty much went straight into coaching rather than pursue playing.

 

Maybe Byron Leftwhich gets his shot soon? But the argument I see "well players are this, so coaches should be equal ratio or close" is kind of flat imo. Should a woman never get a head coach or coordinator job? No females currently are in the NFL.

 

The part maybe we should ask is why collegiate black players who arent expected to make it at NFL level dont seem to turn to coaching early as much? 

 

While typing this I started looking up recent black head coaches, I know Leslie Frazier played. David Culley went into coaching right out of college. Marvin Lewis same thing... BRIAN FLORES (injury prevented him from NFL so he went to coaching). Robert Saleh, Jim Caldwell, Hugh Jackson.

Edited February 2, 2022 by PolishPrince

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Not sure if this has been posted already upthread or not, but some contra voices from minority coaches are being heard on this as well, fwiw:

https://sports.yahoo.com/detroit-lions-assistant-coach-duce-025937983.html

[Just Jack]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

Does it bother anyone else that our Offensive Coordinator had (at least on some level) a texting relationship with a divisional opponents head coach?

 

Nope, Daboll worked for Belichick from 2000-2006, and 2013-2016. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Just Jack