Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[dave mcbride]

18 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

From all reports out of Miami appears he was difficult to work with and had caused a lot of friction within the team and FO. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/10/absentee-ownership-directly-contributes-to-weird-outcomes-like-the-firing-of-brian-flores/

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If the largest feather in your cap is getting a horrific football team to 5 wins 3 years ago, would you be mad teams weren't breaking your door down for an HC job?

What is your point? He took over a truly terrible team, and those were the facts on the ground that he dealt with. Please clarify, with specifics and a demonstration of knowledge of the 2019 Dolphins roster.

Edited February 2, 2022 by dave mcbride

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/10/absentee-ownership-directly-contributes-to-weird-outcomes-like-the-firing-of-brian-flores/

What is your point? He took over a truly terrible team, and those were the facts on the ground that he dealt with. Please clarify, with specifics.

Flores biggest red flag, to me, is the fact that two years in a row - with playoffs on the line - he gets straight up SMOKED. 

[Nitro]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Nope.  Rich old white guys gonna rich old white guy until it hurts them in the pocket book.  Which is exactly what Flores is trying to do.  Never particularly liked the guy, but good for Flores.  

The NFLPA can put leverage on the owners about this.  

[QLBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

How did Flores botch Tua any worse than McDermott botched Allen??? Allen could not have been in a worse situation his first two years. 

I agree he should have kept playing Fitz while they had a shot at the playoffs. Probably lost a fair amount of the locker room. But these guys are pros and everyone of them knows young QBs are going to struggle at times.

Well he picked Tua over Herbert so that didn’t help .

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/10/absentee-ownership-directly-contributes-to-weird-outcomes-like-the-firing-of-brian-flores/

What is your point? He took over a truly terrible team, and those were the facts on the ground that he dealt with. Please clarify, with specifics and a demonstration of knowledge of the 2019 Dolphins roster.

Awesome. He did a solid job in 2019.  Why would an owner not count 2020 and 2021?

[TheFunPolice]

What if a team was awarded a first round pick for hiring a GM or HC of color, and a second for a DC or OC?

 

Would that change the balance of these decisions? 

[QLBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Nope.  Rich old white guys gonna rich old white guy until it hurts them in the pocket book.  Which is exactly what Flores is trying to do.  Never particularly liked the guy, but good for Flores.  

But being forced to hire candidates based on race is good right ?

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Nitro said:

The NFLPA can put leverage on the owners about this.  

How?  You can’t force the owners to hire a black head coach.  Only thing you can do is what Flores is doing.  Hurt em in their bank account when you feel you ain’t getting a fair shake.  

[TheFunPolice]

So, if I'm reading this right Flores says that Daboll was willing to come be his OC in a lateral move?

 

 

[SCBills]

These teams that waited to hire their head coach probably wish they made their decision right about now..  Owners with vacancies about to get a call from Commissioner Roger Farrakhan. 

[billieve420]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Nope.  Rich old white guys gonna rich old white guy until it hurts them in the pocket book.  Which is exactly what Flores is trying to do.  Never particularly liked the guy, but good for Flores.  

Ross is white and hired a black GM Grier and HC in Flores. Could it be that Schoen had ties to Daboll and that familiarity helped him get hired. It is not a cut and dry case. 

[TheFunPolice]

In other words, Flores was going to go into a HC position with an OC he wanted (Daboll) yet he would have to conduct some "sham interviews" of his own since the Rooney Rule applies to coordinators as well.

 

Maybe Flores is just a guy who creates friction and drama

Edited February 2, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Nitro]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

How?  You can’t force the owners to hire a black head coach.  Only thing you can do is what Flores is doing.  Hurt em in their bank account when you feel you ain’t getting a fair shake.  

I was in a union.  Rank and file can move management to change.  Specially when it is good for business.  

[billieve420]

10 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Well he picked Tua over Herbert so that didn’t help .

Apparently Flores wanted Herbert. There was also this report. There was some rift between Flores and Grier my guess mainly over the QB and Ross stuck with his GM.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-rumors-did-brian-flores-tell-tua-tagovailoa-hed-rather-have-mac-jones

Edited February 2, 2022 by billieve420

[Fan boy '92]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/bill-belichick-accidental-text-message-brian-flores-racial-discrimination-lawsuit-giants-brian-daboll-hiring/

 

The accidental text... on purpose.

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

Ross is white and hired a black GM Grier and HC in Flores. Could it be that Schoen had ties to Daboll and that familiarity helped him get hired. It is not a cut and dry case. 

It’s not cut and dry, but how likely is it that 31 head coaching jobs (minus Belichik because he was pre-rooney rule) have had to interview a black candidate and only 1 of those 31 jobs currently have a black head coach.  The Rooney Rule is a joke.  And the NFL is gonna have to fork over a ton of money.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

How many young black offensive coaches are there? That seems to be where the issues are. Most black offensive coaches are WR or RB coaches. I remember Pep Hamilton a long time ago was very highly thought of, never got a chance like some of the young white offensive coaches.

 

Who are those guys today? Byron Leftwich? How come there aren't more young black assistant offensive coaches getting jobs coaching QBs and becoming offensive coordinators?

 

Who are the Sean McVays, Zac Taylors of the black coaches. Are there any? Bills gave Tee Martin an interview for OC. I think once these guys start getting OC jobs there will be more black head coaches.

 

We do see young black defensive coaches get head coach jobs. It'll start happening soon on the offensive side. 

[The Frankish Reich]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He took over a truly terrible team, and those were the facts on the ground that he dealt with. Please clarify, with specifics and a demonstration of knowledge of the 2019 Dolphins roster.

Is he a good head coach? I don't know for sure. But by the way we usually rate head coaches he would be considered good:

- did his teams outperform or underperform their true talent level? Flores wins on this one. He got the 2019 job and the Dolphins promptly traded away most of their decent players. And he certainly doesn't have top personnel now, yet his team finished very strongly but for that Titans game, and the Titans were ultimately the top seeded playoff team

- did his teams show improvement over his tenure? Definitely

- did he appear able to motivate his players, even under difficult circumstances? Absolutely

 

Now there may have been an unspoken Dolphins Ross Rule: thou shalt tank when the owner wants you to tank. On that one, Flores was an epic failure.

[Einstein]

Does it bother anyone else that our Offensive Coordinator had (at least on some level) a texting relationship with a divisional opponents head coach?

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Does it bother anyone else that our Offensive Coordinator had (at least on some level) a texting relationship with a divisional opponents head coach?

 

 

 

 

 

No. Why would it?