Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I mean, you kind of have to give the guy credit. As others have said, it very well could be NFL career suicide. But obviously he’s taking a stand for something he strongly believes in and must feel the sacrifice is worth it. I have to respect that.

 

Agreed. 

 

The NFL has been on this bs for the longest.  The only reason this hasn't happened sooner is concern for one's career.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I think the Phins need to lose some draft picks, the picks Ross wanted Flores to tank for.. as well as the $100,000.00

[MAJBobby]

Ross imo is going to get the most punishment. 
 

giants complied with the Rooney Rule. 
 

Ross allegedly wanted to Force Tampering with Brady. Then offered to pay for losses in the age of NFL teams partnering with sports book. The NFL will come down harder on Fins imo if what Flores says is true. 

[Bob in STL]

6 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Didn’t we just interview two Rooney rule Canadidates who probably had no shot while we waited for Dorsey lol 

 

I have hired hundreds of professionals in my 40 year career.  My job in the real world is probably viewed differently than the NFL but candidates with slim chances are often granted interviews for some very good reasons.  

 

1.  The organization wants to know more about the candidate, maybe for future and/or possibly other positions.  (Helps organization understand depth and skill sets in candidate pool).  
2.  The candidates get valuable experience on how to prepare and perform in these types of interviews in future.  (helps candidates/ mentoring opportunities). 
 

Dorsey could have walked, interviewing as many good candidates as possible is not a bad thing.  The Bills were smart to cast a wide net, even if they hired from within.  They gained something from talking to the others.  
 

Joe Shoen needs to get control of his staff.  This should not have leaked to Belichick, or anywhere else for that matter.  Everyone interviewed should get consideration.  This looks really bad on the Giants FO.  
 

Lots of questioning  of the Rooney rule.  The rule was needed, and probably is still needed.   The problem could be more related to the amateurish actions carried out by the Giants FO and  not the Rooney Rule.  
 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Rico]

Kaep Flores.

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

This is a very bizarre story and somewhat of a sour grapes move by Flores.

 

He's also essentially blacklisting himself and effectively ending his NFL coaching career.

If all that is true, why wouldn’t you take action?? 

[HamSandwhich]

16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So let me get this straight.  Belichick accidentally texted Flores instead of Daboll and congratulated him before he even interviewed.  S#!+ meet fan.

That’s hilarious if that is what happened, as much as I think the rule is stupid. 

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

I think the Phins need to lose some draft picks, the picks Ross wanted Flores to tank for.. as well as the $100,000.00

And Ross is definitely going to get forced out if anything Flores said was true.

Edited February 1, 2022 by The Wiz

[Seventeen]

Just now, The Wiz said:

And Ross is definitely going to get forced out.

 

Still Flores word against Ross and unproven 

 

[716er]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

lol then maybe they would release more than just Gruden's text messages.

 

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

1 minute ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Still Flores word against Ross and unproven 

 

Unfortunately yes. But either Flores is delusional and making this up or it actually happened which I’m more inclined to believe.. maybe something more will come out. 

[jlgarsh]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Yeah I tried to read this.

 

Stopped when he accused the Broncos of being hung over to their meeting because obviously they were hard core drinking.

 

you read stuff like that…and it just doesn’t pass the smell test.

 

You've never had a meeting like that before? I have, and it feels pretty awful when you put your heart and soul into going for a position and the people you're meeting with were drunk/high/hung over, then pass over you.

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Still Flores word against Ross and unproven 

 

I amended my previous statement based on that.

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

I mean can you blame the guy for finally losing it. His record was amazing given the circumstances. 

He is a winning, no nonsense coach. I think he would be great for a young team like Jax. The problem is he's terrible with the media and he will get up in the faces of his bosses and ownership if he thinks they're not helping him win. Sad situation. 

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

I just finished reading through all 58 pages of the complaint. This reads like someone who is just sick and tired of feeling like he's getting screwed over and is at the end of his rope and frustrated. The suit's evidence is largely historical data and a few allegations against Stephen Ross which will hurt the Dolphins and a hearsay accusation that the Giants had made up their minds to hire Daboll before even interviewing Flores. 

 

His injunctive relief seeks, amongst other things, to "Ensure diversity of decision-making by permitting select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions." These are privately owned teams, who can hire whomever they want. If you think billionaires are going to be forced to listen to coaches and players tell them who to hire, I wish you well. 

 

There are several bombshells, a couple of which have been picked up by the media. The biggest one i see is Stephen Ross tried to get Flores to meet with, presumably Brady, on a yacht to recruit him, which is in direct violation of league tampering rules. 

 

A lot of this lawsuit does read like a list of personal complaints about why he isn't a head coach. Flores says he was ridiculed for not tanking his first season. He argues "Upon information and belief, no white Head Coach has ever been subjected to such ridicule over winning and holding the spirt of the game in such high regard. In fact, Mr. Flores was ultimately terminated and subsequently defamed throughout the media and the League as he was labeled by the Dolphins brass as someone who was difficult to work with. This is reflective of an all too familiar “angry black man” stigma that is often casted upon Black men who are strong in their morals and convictions while white men are coined as passionate." There is no way to prove this point, it's just an arbitrary complaint. It also fails to note that the GM, part of the Dolphins brass he is criticizing for firing him and labelling him as difficult, is black. As such, it seems like a reach to suggest that labelling him as difficult was racially motivated.

 

The suit does go out of its way to label named parties by their race, which they have to do in order to create suspicion of every person hired instead of a black candidate. Joe Schoen, who is white, is made to look like he was hired despite there being many qualified black candidates for the job. That's pretty baseless. He then claims that the job was Daboll's all along because BB texted him thinking he was Daboll congratulating him on the job. That's probably enough anecdotal evidence for an investigation, though thin because the evidence comes from someone outside the organization. Even if this was the case, I don't see racism in a GM picking a coordinator from his old team to come along with him. In fact, him listing Daboll as a prospective HC is likely one of the things that landed him the job. 

 

I'm not sure that this lawsuit, which obviously is not based on unfounded history of discrimination, is the lawsuit that changes things that need to be changed. This is a class-action, so he's looking to certify and have other black coaches join the suit, which seems poorly conceived for a few reasons. First, current coaches are unlikely to risk their careers by joining and you would need them for credibility. Second, the facts aren't damning to anyone but the Dolphins and on that front only show they violated league rules in regards to tampering. Lastly, it was a missed opportunity to make only black coaches members of the class, they should have gone broader and opened it up to all minority candidates. Of course I could be wrong, but this suit has more chance of changing things through public pressure rather than actual legal relief; which is what I suspect it was aimed at. 

 

Thought I might save everyone some time reading. Here's the link to the complaint in case anyone is interested: https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf

 

Lots of good analysis here. I’m not surprised at the scope at all. It’s interesting that they go back to the 20s in seeking to establish a pattern of institutionalized racism by the league. I find the race norming conducted by the league in order to save money in concussion awards to be repulsive as it’s the very definition institutional racism. No wonder they sought to settle so quickly after it became public. I mean what league lawyer had the temerity to suggest that race norming strategy in the first place? 

[gonzo1105]

In my opinion the problem with business in general but particularly in football is it’s a good ole boys network where relationships matter. The problem is in business or football in this case people tend to gravitate towards people who are like minded to them. 
 

White owners hire white general managers who hire white head coaches because relationships in industry go deeper, people hire people with similar backgrounds , the same cultures etc. is it righ? Absolutely not but I’d venture to guess that’s about 90% of the issue right there

[LABILLBACKER]

A billionaire owner bribing his HC to purposely tank games and the NFL aggressively becoming more active in gambling. What could possibly go wrong. Ross is done and this Rooney Rule will have to be re-examined if they're not going to take it seriously. While we're at it, Bill might want to verify his outgoing texts a little more carefully. What a clusterF.

[The Wiz]

So with all this going on, what happens to the QB, let's call him "Dom Trady" that accepted a meeting with an NFL owner and HC during a time period where there was suppose to be no interaction between them other than through their agent?

[Warcodered]

25 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

That’s right, so why have it? 

because this isn't just about Florez.