So it's the Washington Commanders now?

[thunderingsquid]

6 hours ago, Greg S said:

And yet the NFL has Snoop Dog (cop hater whose lyrics promote killing cops) as the halftime show. That is OK but we can't have the name Redskins.

[folz]

6 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Wonderful choice, I used to watch him every day

 

 

In Rochester, in the '80s, we had Ranger Bob...

 

 

[bigduke6]

Washington Commanders sounds like a 2 bit Lacrosse team.    better than nothing i guess.

[Apocalypse Nuts]

This one is getting out of hand.  

[1stgm1993]

9 minutes ago, folz said:

 

In Rochester, in the '80s, we had Ranger Bob...

 

 

Perinton Square Mall had his little home there Ranger Bob!!

[Homey D. Clown]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Welcome to the 19th century.  Yeah, "Redskin" is a derogatory term for a Native American -- and has always been a derogatory term even 200 years ago.   "Indian" is simply an outdated term for Native American, much like "colored" or "*****" are outdated terms for African Americans.  

 

Apparently you missed the part where I said "fine, I'll concede that one".  I get called ethinic terms from the past that just don't offend me because, well, I am an adult.  I think what everyone just can't handle is the context in which it's being used.  Terms that were used 30 -40 years ago considered to be fine then many people get all bunched up about today.  I not only choose not to, but have the intellectual awareness to understand context.  apparently many do not.  If you have been playing along with my other responses to others willing to have a civil discussion, you'd find that I am actually OK with the name change which was not immediately apparent in my first post.

[mannc]

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/iconic-quarterback-joe-theismann-appears-to-leak-the-new-washington-football-team-name-two-days-before-the-reveal/

Good lord.  Pathetic

[Matt_In_NH]

Is the emblem a Native American Commander for way back?

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, badassgixxer05 said:

As statues disappear of famous traitors.

Fixed.

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, badassgixxer05 said:

That's why we need more books. We all need better education. The war wasn't fought over slavery. And by the way, the Union leaders were slave owners also.

Lots of flat out lies here.  There was only one reason that the Southern states chose to secede from the Unites States of America - slavery.  Just read the Ordnance of Secession.  Slavery is a focal point.  The other BS people pretend were the reasons are noticeably absent.

 

No, there were not many Union leaders who had been slave owners.  The Northern states had eliminated or put laws in place to gradually eliminate slavery by the early 1800s. The Civil War started in 1865.  They’d have had to have lived in the South to own people as property.

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Okay, so a national activist doesn't like it, you will always find nonlocal activists that dislike everything... there's local support in Kansas City from the local people involved that it impacts... the team itself works with local trial communities. Nothing they are doing is wrong, they don't mock or disparage, they embrace. 

 

You can find plenty of military personnel that would oppose the Commanders name for the exact same reasons. 

 

It's a sports team, they are not disparaging anyone, people got to get over it. 

I disagree… there are many Native Americans both in Kansas City and beyond that find the teams depictions to be offensive.   It might not offend you, but it does actually offend some people of that ancestry.  
 

Curious…but what generation did you grow up in?

[K-9]

7 hours ago, UConn James said:

The former Mrs. Butterworth’s ain’t maple syrup… it’s corn syrup.

 

Indians became the Guardians shortly after this last MLB season ended. And their logo is absolutely terrible.

None of those syrups are maple syrups unless it says they’re maple syrups. Unless it’s maple, they’re all corn syrups. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, K-9 said:

None of those syrups are maple syrups unless it says they’re maple syrups. Unless it’s maple, they’re all corn syrups. 

One of the things I resolved to never, ever do again as soon as I moved away from home many, many years ago: buy fake maple syrup.

The real stuff really isn't that expensive. There is no excuse for fake maple syrup.

[In Summary]

All teams should be assigned a number between 1 and 100 as determined by random draw. No names. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Doubt they’ll need to, the term ‘redskin’ is derogatory. Chief is not. 

It's really not that complicated of a situation, though it seems to confuse many.

 

 

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed.

But with one caveat: "Indian" is very much back as a term used by American Indians, including one of my American Indian co-workers. She much prefers it to "Native American" for a variety of reasons. And she gets to choose so I'm fine with that, as long as we understand that most people who use "Native American" around her mean no offense.

Calling them "native Americans" inherently describes and defines them through an "American" prism, which has absolutely nothing to do with them.  Their cultures (all of them) pre-date anything to do with "America" by a lot.

 

The Canadian "first nation" idea is a much better way to go.

 

Or "aboriginal people" or something like that, as they use in Australia.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, 1stgm1993 said:

Perinton Square Mall had his little home there Ranger Bob!!

 

Wow... Perinton Square Mall, what a blast from the past!

[SoMAn]

7 hours ago, djp14150 said:

 

 

with Kraken you have marketing in

 

onKrak

being Kraked up

 

 

Sounds like the name for a breakfast cereal 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Commies for short???? 🤔 

[Chaos]

Society working overtime to wipe out images of minorities.  Land o Lakes butter is my favorite.  Got rid of the Native American, and kept the land in its logo.  Just like real life.  

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed.

But with one caveat: "Indian" is very much back as a term used by American Indians, including one of my American Indian co-workers. She much prefers it to "Native American" for a variety of reasons. And she gets to choose so I'm fine with that, as long as we understand that most people who use "Native American" around her mean no offense.

 

Exactly.  People who belong to a particular racial/ethnic group get to choose what they call themselves.  People who don't belong to that group should respect that.